Red light injector shaped on1998 Bravo SX RHD Irish plates In Europe mainland .

I never had this problem in 35,000 miles in driving in Ireland 2011 to2012

Car was stored up for 2013 to November 2014 where my other car wiped out so needed it back
It was due service when it went into storage

I had to drive to South spain for reasons .

Anyway once I hit France the red light for injector came on and comes on sometimes .

The consistent time this injector light it will appear is when i drive in fifth gear at about 45MPH on the back roads of France and Spain .I prefer to drive slow see the route go the back roads where often it can be 20 minutes before you even see another car

There is some issue with the heating cooling system
The car ticking over will get warm go above half way mark
At steady speeds of 45mph the temperature drops the heating gets fairly cool and then sometimes this injector light will come on .

Oil and water all OK checked all along the route went via Andorra where it was high and back down mostly on snow chains or snow shoes cloths while i hung around Andorra for week

In Ireland the petrol fuel is awful crud
Car importers often detune the engines to run on what is often very low Octane stuff often filled with waste oil .
There has been umpteen threads on the subject in Ireland .It seems some fills are super bad and wreck engines from extra paraffin in the fuel to increase fuel profits.The fuel also can have heavy oil toxic fuel waste added to it .This combination wont burn properly in the engine .Large drops of unburned heavy oil and parrifin or jkerozene will cling to cyclinder wall and get washed down into sumps .The lubrication the oil breaks down and the piston rings get wrecked .The cylinder heads will also coke up.

My solution while using the car in November in Ireland was to always fill with €10 Euros and fill frequently .This meant I would only at worst get one small batch of real bad fuel .Hopefully other new fills would thin out the bad fuel if i got bad batch .One time I had very low tankl and forced to use fuel from vendor I did not trust . I got this one batch of 2 liters i took from garage chain which was supect and the car hiccuped a lot on it for the few miles to another possibly safer chain of fuel suppliers .The new batch seemed to stop this problem

Once in Europe the fuel issue hopefully doesn't exist so filled up the tanks with often €20 euro batches for the reason the fuel prices were dropping daily


I will do my own service and know a local mechanic with reader .

I suspect the fuel injector is the fact the better higher octane fuel in mainland Europe is the issue and the engine isn't tuned for good or proper fuels.

The lower octane high altiturde fuel of Andorra at ~€1.13 liter ( probably less now ) I think is all gone .

I mostly now do short city runs in Malaga and the red light injector rarely comes on but still comes on for reasons unknown.

The cooling problem persists but not so bad as often stuck in city slow crawl traffic

Soon I want to go direction Turkey so want to sort this out if its important .

Any idea is this red light injector thing just typical Fiat cranky electrics gremlins. The Indicators and hazards in Ireland with damp in November acted up intermittently but so far all December in mainland Europe never failed touch wood.

Looked on lots of forums but cant find any idea what this red injector light means . Is it vital ??

Any Bravo SX gurus ..

For others it was about ~38MPG (imp ) cross Europe average speed ~45MPH but downhills faster uphills slower .

Around city its bad ~23 to ~25 MPG and can sink as low as 15MPG in heavy traffic .

Normal speeds like 55MPH nearly always south of ~33MPG

History of car got it when it had genuine 35000miles on clock knew all the owners who were low milage users
Replaced clutch at 40,000 miles as the cluth went due to faulty clutch batch at production .
45,000 miles replaced the front types and front brake disks and brake pads .

very Zippy car but eats parts and eats fuel compared to my very economic boring normal Nissan 1400 Almeria wiped out at 160,000 miles due to rear end smash .
Great car for city traffic lane changers lots of gears to play with if you do short trips

For long Europe tours expensive in fuel if you want to go 70MPH on the motor ways seems to ~25MPG on motor ways at 70MPH

Dave

I just heard form another source today the way tpo fix the injector problem is buy stuff called Molly .
Never heard of hope thye sell it in Spain or will have to get friend to post it or find some similar local product

It was unusually cold today in south Spain and the red light came back on most of the day where the last few days with warm temperatures it ddint come on .

I Think there must also be issues with the thermostat sticking open permanently or mostly permanently.
Thats not surprising a car sitting two years idle in Damp Ireland doing nothing cant be good for it .

Dave

The injector light is just the engine management faultlight.

The fault can be faulty lambda, MAP/Coolant/every other sensor, or whatever. It is only shaped like injector, usually nothing related to actual injector fault unless your car is 1.6 that is running on three cylinders.

Get the codes, something with 3-pin diangnostics. Find the system giving errors and clean the connections of it before replacing it.

Why don't you say which engine type it is? 1.6 16V? 1.412V? 1.2 16V?

From the age it will probably have a simple cat converter and one lambda sensor, the lambda could be failing or the cat could be blocked or faulty if the fuelling has been bad. As stated above, get a diagnostic scan done and reset the error codes.

You should give the cooling system a full flush and service, replacing the thermostat and putting in fresh antifreeze with corrosion inhibitors to protect the engine.

Your fuel consumption is bad (1.6s were a bit thirsty) but the overcooling by the failed thermostat will not be helping. Check the injectors on a 1.6, do a decent oil change.

Don't bother with injector cleaner, just buy a tankfull of Shell Vpower and thrash it a bit, also maybe reset the ECU.