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Interesting information received ! had a message from previous owner
the turbo is the original ! its was reconditioned not replaced !
So could my friend be wrong about it not having these internal veins on it ???

also the previous owner tells me " he thinks " the engine could be from a 03 merea ???

So I dont know how this might effect or change things ??
 
Yoshi2u said:
please forgive all the posts cluttering up the thread.....:p


Interesting information received ! had a message from previous owner
the turbo is the original ! its was reconditioned not replaced !
So could my friend be wrong about it not having these internal veins on it ???

also the previous owner tells me " he thinks " the engine could be from a 03 merea ???

So I dont know how this might effect or change things ??
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Hi again,

If the turbo is the original, it really should have vanes (of variable geometry). But again this is the theory.
A 03 Marea engine should definitely have such solenoid.
I suggest you PM me so we can have a chat later tonight.

Cheers
 
Yoshi2u said:
Just wanted to re sumerise !


Just spoke to my mechanic friend, he wants to change some solenoids, the ones already mentioned,that the pipe off the waste gauge go's to ! he says there's still no vaccum.
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Read this thread - might shed some light
https://www.fiatforum.com/multipla/241113-help-no-vacuum-turbo-actuator.html

Yoshi2u said:
I mentioned Im still dubious about the MAF sensor ! Its an expensive thing to rule out, but think i should attempt to, we did do a live diagnostic check as i already mentioned, that showed its % fluctuating with the revs, whether this means its working or not i dont know, but there was movement !!!

But he thinks the MAF sensor would bring up a fault, or if it wasnt working, it wouldnt show movement on the live data ??? what u fink ???
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The MAF measures the amount of air from the intake. If the car is stationary it should not change at all.

Yoshi2u said:
I told him of my observation on the morning, whereby i went out to the car, wouldnt get more than 2000revs, but on finally getting the MAF sensor off, the first few seconds when i revved it were no different, but then the engine gradually built up to 3100 revs, there was a hell of a lot of black/grey smoke ( i know firmly believe unburnt fuel )
took it to the 1st garage, all of which ive gone over, but on picking the car up at dinner time and driving away, I assume all the unburnt fuel had gone, and it was revving along at 3100, with no smoke whatsoever !!!

Im sure i read a post saying that once you take the MAF off it will idle iractically ???
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I suggest you fix a problem at a time. If there are serious suspensions on the turbo, have it looked first. One it is out of the way, get the MAF tested and sorted. You could start the other way around but again it's a matter of having a good look at your car - that obviously I have not (y)!
 
basically I went to my friends lil ol garage, he observed the waste gauge not moving !

So he tried to push it with something, but said it wouldnt budge, he said it might be seized, so he proceeded to take the turbo off ! and I left him to give it a good spray with some wd40, he said sometimes the internal part that the waste gauge arm go's to, can seize. I only spoke to him by phone after, where he tells me, he dosent think its that, and that there is no suction/vacuum at all going to the waste gauge.
So he has traced this back to the actuator/solenoid that he now wants to replace as he says there very cheap, and he can get from the scrappys. he couldnt get it done today thou !

So right now thats where I stand with him ! I can really vouch for his knowledge and expertise !

And my head is filled with nothing but worry and doubts.
That link was a very interesting read, its just that at one point they stated that the car seemed to pull fine up to 3000 revs, where as mine has no go whatsoever ! whether that means anything ?
 
Thank you very much nunesaf !!!

Really interesting read, and good for me to get a good basic knowledge going on. I will start looking down this route when i get my hands on the car tomorrow or friday !

But if what my friend says is right, the problem lies elsewhere, meaning there being no vacuum going to the waste gauge in the first place, he "says" he's go it moving the turbo and waste gauge arm fingy, just no suction. Im just waiting to see what he's verdict is on the actuators !

But when all is said and done i will not take any of as gospel, after reading on here how so many in my position have spent large sums, and garage after garage have failed to spot the most simple things !

I will endeavour !!! and thank all of yall again for your help and support, your all on my christmas card list ! :D
 
Well Im heading back up north this afternoon :)
Back to see my baby :D my poor broken baby :(

I will mostly using public transport, ok i will only be using public transport !
Ill just share my little journey with yall, for a laugh :D

I will get a train to sheffield, then to leeds. But I will have to split the tickets, and change trains, as Derby to leeds is 27 pound , but If I get off the trains at sheffield, and wait five mintues, and get another train to leeds its only 17 ! :D

shrewd aint I.....:idea:

Then I get to pick between, national express or megabus to get me to middlesbrough ! thats bout 15 squid !

Oh but that aint the end of my journey ! no I still have the joy of getting a bus from boro to Redcar which can be an hour or a direct one half an hour ! price 3 squid or more !!!

So to sum it up ! for me to get about 147 miles, back to ma womens arms it will take me about 4 hours and a bit , and cost me about 35 pound at least !

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :bang:

I want my Bravo working :cry: ( sniffles ) :cry:

Oh I could probably do it all by train, would only cost a zillion billion gagagillion drackma :yuck:

Or did you know, I have looked before many times to get a national express coach direct from Derby to Boro ! takes ten hours !!!! Im not friggin joking either !!! :confused::confused::confused:

Im sure you could walk there in that time !!!!




Sorry to go off topic ! normal service will return shorty :p

Sounds if'y but my mechanic said he was going to go to the scrapys for a maf sensor !!! :(
me thinks not the wisest fing to do, but if something work then good ! if not, still wont rule needing a new maf to check it properly .





thanks yall ! you been really supportive and give me lots of advice and encouragement ! feeling charged now !!!!!
:slayer::slayer::slayer::slayer::devil::slayer::slayer::slayer:
 
Yoshi2u said:
Well Im heading back up north this afternoon :)
Back to see my baby :D my poor broken baby :(

I will mostly using public transport, ok i will only be using public transport !
Ill just share my little journey with yall, for a laugh :D

I will get a train to sheffield, then to leeds. But I will have to split the tickets, and change trains, as Derby to leeds is 27 pound , but If I get off the trains at sheffield, and wait five mintues, and get another train to leeds its only 17 ! :D

shrewd aint I.....:idea:

Then I get to pick between, national express or megabus to get me to middlesbrough ! thats bout 15 squid !

Oh but that aint the end of my journey ! no I still have the joy of getting a bus from boro to Redcar which can be an hour or a direct one half an hour ! price 3 squid or more !!!

So to sum it up ! for me to get about 147 miles, back to ma womens arms it will take me about 4 hours and a bit , and cost me about 35 pound at least !

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :bang:

I want my Bravo working :cry: ( sniffles ) :cry:

Oh I could probably do it all by train, would only cost a zillion billion gagagillion drackma :yuck:

Or did you know, I have looked before many times to get a national express coach direct from Derby to Boro ! takes ten hours !!!! Im not friggin joking either !!! :confused::confused::confused:

Im sure you could walk there in that time !!!!




Sorry to go off topic ! normal service will return shorty :p

Sounds if'y but my mechanic said he was going to go to the scrapys for a maf sensor !!! :(
me thinks not the wisest fing to do, but if something work then good ! if not, still wont rule needing a new maf to check it properly .





thanks yall ! you been really supportive and give me lots of advice and encouragement ! feeling charged now !!!!!
:slayer::slayer::slayer::slayer::devil::slayer::slayer::slayer:
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Lol ;) quite an adventure! I know what you mean with that odyssey of jumping from one train to a bus and bla bla bla.

Good luck with your Bravo (y)
 
Thanks mate ! Im determined to fix that mo fo no matter what !!!! :slayer:

Like I said, not to sure of the mechanics Idea about getting a maf from the scrappy !!! thats if he can even find the same type ! :confused:

I was just thinking, how the lad said the engine is from a 03 merea ! Can i get an engine code from the engine and do any checks any how ?


regards !

and fanks :worship:
 
Yoshi2u said:
Thanks mate ! Im determined to fix that mo fo no matter what !!!! :slayer:

Like I said, not to sure of the mechanics Idea about getting a maf from the scrappy !!! thats if he can even find the same type ! :confused:

I was just thinking, how the lad said the engine is from a 03 merea ! Can i get an engine code from the engine and do any checks any how ?


regards !

and fanks :worship:
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Hya

I think you will need to do a bit of work to find the number as it can vary. Have a look at this thread here:

https://www.fiatforum.com/punto/127184-jtd-engine-number.html

Regarding the MAF, get the turbo (or better put, the solenoid) sorted so a problem is solved at a time (y)
 
So you dont think there connected !!! ( no vacuum to actuator/solenoid & MAF )

My friend says the solenoid is working ? But theres no vacuum :confused:

He's saying that its not getting the signal to work ? But after what I have read Im dubious about this diagnostic !

I understand what your saying, basically the maf shouldnt be affecting whether the car creates vacuum or not ???

I really just want to get my hands back on the car now, while i have the time, and start checking the simple and basic stuff ! like all the pipes.

tarted reading something about the vacuum system, and other functions it controls ! it has something to do with the braking system amongst other things ! oh and the egr valve. I know this may seem like an over simplified idea, BUT my front brakes are not working, havent had time to get to the bottom of it, ie are they just completely siezed, or is there soomething else going on linked to no vacuum ?
 
Yoshi2u said:
So you dont think there connected !!! ( no vacuum to actuator/solenoid & MAF )

My friend says the solenoid is working ? But theres no vacuum :confused:

He's saying that its not getting the signal to work ? But after what I have read Im dubious about this diagnostic !

I understand what your saying, basically the maf shouldnt be affecting whether the car creates vacuum or not ???

I really just want to get my hands back on the car now, while i have the time, and start checking the simple and basic stuff ! like all the pipes.

tarted reading something about the vacuum system, and other functions it controls ! it has something to do with the braking system amongst other things ! oh and the egr valve. I know this may seem like an over simplified idea, BUT my front brakes are not working, havent had time to get to the bottom of it, ie are they just completely siezed, or is there soomething else going on linked to no vacuum ?
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Hi

Regarding the MAF, it can be damaged but cannot see the link between that and the lack of vacuum.

Have a look at the service manual:
http://www.onlinefreeebooks.net/autos/car/fiat-bravo-fiat-brava-service-manual-volume-4-pdf.html
HTH
 
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OMG !!! :cry::cry::cry::cry:

I dont think i can take anymore of this !!!!! :cry::cry:

Went to get my car back !!! So the muppet Ive left it with, says the batterys gone flat !!! and even now trying to jump it it wont start !!!!

I dont know what this idiot may of done ! hes had the drivers side fuse panel off, so dont know what hes been doing in there, the car at one point started, but then just cut out !!! its turning over !

But Im really worried, as there was a small bit of smoke coming from behind the back of the engine, and a little coming from where the A.C motor is ???????

Also I dont know if this is a further electrical problem or summat to do with the after market immobiliser, but when it was hooked up, and i tried to start it, all the dash warning lights were kinda flickering, and when i turned it over, the starter motor just clicked, and all the dials spun round !!!

This idiot had no ideas ! offered no explanation !!! I think hes really buggered my car up ! if it wasnt already so.......arrrggghhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Yoshi2u said:
OMG !!! :cry::cry::cry::cry:

I dont think i can take anymore of this !!!!! :cry::cry:

Went to get my car back !!! So the muppet Ive left it with, says the batterys gone flat !!! and even now trying to jump it it wont start !!!!

I dont know what this idiot may of done ! hes had the drivers side fuse panel off, so dont know what hes been doing in there, the car at one point started, but then just cut out !!! its turning over !

But Im really worried, as there was a small bit of smoke coming from behind the back of the engine, and a little coming from where the A.C motor is ???????

Also I dont know if this is a further electrical problem or summat to do with the after market immobiliser, but when it was hooked up, and i tried to start it, all the dash warning lights were kinda flickering, and when i turned it over, the starter motor just clicked, and all the dials spun round !!!

This idiot had no ideas ! offered no explanation !!! I think hes really buggered my car up ! if it wasnt already so.......arrrggghhhhhhhhhhhh
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Hya
I am sorry to hear you had that problem too. Definitely something wrong was done to the car. A simple flat battery can be sorted by replacing with a good one. Try putting a good one. Jump starting is another solution but these must be of good quality as some power can be lost -> hence the flickering lights on the dashboard.
Smoke from behind of the engine can come from the starter motor!
More than this, don't know what to suggest except for your friend to get a new battery (or a decent one) and try and get your engine going with it - again if it is a flat battery
 
Hiya nunesaf !!!

Ive calmed down a bit since that episode earlier ! lol . Now Im just really depressed lol

I had the car recovered from this complete muppet ! got it back to the house an hour ago, Im charging the battery as we speak, battery dosent look to old, even have a receipt and some warrenty on it ?

I had to play a bit dumb to the guy who recovered me, but he hooked the battery up to his wagon, but it still didnt turn over very well, he said sounded like not enough power !

Im charging the battery now, and only hoping i have enough to put the drivers side window up ! as its parked on the street......:cry:

But seems fishy to me, with the fuse panel being off ? who knows what he did.


Do you think there will be any problem with the clifford immobiliser ? after the battery having come off ! im to familiar with these things ?

oh blumin well, im close to giving up......:cry:
I have a mobile mechanic coming to just have a look on friday, but he referred me to a place that has a really really good reputation as diesel specialist. but they have a good waiting list, cant get in there til next friday. I may get a call to start work in Derby before then. oh well

thanks again for everyone's support and advice !
 
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