ShaunCo said:

and i was working with someone who knows more about engines and has done more engines than uv had ****s.

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now i can see why you do not understand exactly what was required for the conversion; you didnt do it, someone did it for you.

do not make assumptions about the number of asterisks i've had.

i'm honestly not trying to make you angry, my only concern is the accuracy of the information on the forum.

note...i said...working with....not and i did do all the work...i was only telling the lad as i had the same experience as him, so i was trying to shed some light on him.

and when i say i was working with...i mean i was doing most of it, the other person only helped me to make sure i place everything in the correct place and helped me lift the engine in and out...

and please....take a look at a connecter on a 1.4 and a 1.6...ull see they are the same.

Jug, could this be possible. Have Fiat used a similar wiring loom across the mk 1's Could the more complex areas of the 1.6 such as the multipoint injection system and multi coil packs be on their own system and just act off the same feed from the same universal loom.. And in the case of the 1.4 a few of the sensor connectors just lay dormant.

ShaunCo said:

and please....take a look at a connecter on a 1.4 and a 1.6...ull see they are the same.

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you seriously underestimate me if you think i did not compare the connectors before my first post.

bridges said:

Jug, could this be possible.

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no mate, he's talking crap, as i'm about to demonstrate.

shaun i'm currently sat in a mcdonalds carpark because i did not have time to reply at work, that is how much this thread has wound me up. since you seem so keen for me to make you look like and idiot, allow me to oblige.

there is a very long list of obvious differences that would mean you could not simply plug the 1.4 loom on to the 1.6 engine, its common sense to anyone who understands the basics of engine management. lets take one prime example, the difference between a single point injection engine and a multipoint injection engine. the 1.4 loom has 1 connector for its 1 injector, the 1.6 engine has 4 injectors each with their own connector, explain how you connected the 1.6 injectors to that single connector please.

actually, they say a picture paints a thousand words, to same we writing it all out i've attached 6 pics to this post showing the first 6 differences i found, this took 5 mins, i could easily add many more if i wasnt sat in a mcdonalds carpark.

try explaining how you could overcome these 6 differences without modifying the 1.4 loom and without using the 1.6 connectors. if by some miracle you can explain it, i'll post another half dozen differences.

well if ur sat in a maccies car park lol...then i must have wound u up

well to be honest my sir lol...im affraid you are very wrong with this occasion lol u wont make me look like an idiot because im the one who did the engien swap not you....so therefore i am right....i really didnt want to get all imature on ya lol but im afraid i have lol....the only wire i cut under my bonnet is the connectors for my marea headlighs....and no im not an idiot im just simply amazing.

tell me, have u done an engine change liek this before? i bet u havent? wellt he SHHHH

maybe the connectors ur looking at is the 1.6 mk2???


just another immature comment...suck my nuts!!

oh....erm before this carries on lol....what connecters are we on about here jug lol...

"lets take one prime example, the difference between a single point injection engine and a multipoint injection engine. the 1.4 loom has 1 connector for its 1 injector, the 1.6 engine has 4 injectors each with their own connector, explain how you connected the 1.6 injectors to that single connector please."

With what he said above, i don't think it matters what mk it is, it applies to all cars. So how did u plug in 4 injectors with one plug ??

Ming

yeh i cant be arsed reading all that lol....i tell ya what...i will anyone one of you come and 'investigate' my engine and tell me where i cut wires off...i can assure u ill be walking away with the big sign saying 'im not with them losers!'

ShaunCo said:

what connecters are we on about here jug

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the pics i posted explain what they are, read the comments.

ShaunCo said:

maybe the connectors ur looking at is the 1.6 mk2???

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if you have any doubts about the accuracy of the connectors i have posted, please consult the mk1 fiat workshop manual (volume1), available to download here: www.babarmalik.com/ledmods.htm

ShaunCo said:

im the one who did the engien swap not you....so therefore i am right

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if you persist to claim that these loom compatibility issues do not exist you only make yourself look like a bigger fool.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln

ok then mr juggy boy...if you really want to show me up that bad...come down any day and tell me what u mean....i am willing to actually show u face to face ur wrong lol becasue all the connectors u on about (i think) connect to the ECU...am i right?

judging by them pictures u put up there...the ECU connector, the big one, connects to the ECU, and that lead is attatched to the engine. so really i didnt have to change that, just put the 1.6 ECU in. the rest i think as stated above is connected to the ECU/engine, therefor if i swapped the engine witht he ECU, why did i have to cut any wires leads?

So shaun are you saying the wiring loom is the same across the range of bravos?

im assuming so yeh.

considering, on the 1.4 the air box and the screen wash is on the opposite side as the 1.6, and when i swapped it as it should be, the wire for the screen wash was already there?? and on the 1.6 it has an extra little black box hidden behind the bumper, the holes for that was already there??

ShaunCo said:

all the connectors u on about (i think) connect to the ECU...am i right?

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if you dont know that then how the hell could you possibly do an engine conversion?

the connectors connect to the sensors/actuators, the only connector that connects to the ecu is the ecu connector.

ShaunCo said:

judging by them pictures u put up there...the ECU connector, the big one, connects to the ECU, and that lead is attatched to the engine. so really i didnt have to change that, just put the 1.6 ECU in.

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how the hell can you connect the 1.6 ecu to the 1.4 ecu connector, they are completely different shapes and sizes, as shown in the pics.

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the rest i think as stated above is connected to the ECU/engine, therefor if i swapped the engine witht he ECU, why did i have to cut any wires leads?

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the wires go between the engine and ecu, and since there is a different number of wires on the 1.6, and different connectors at both ends of the wires, you definately need to fit some new wires and change some connectors.

you really are digging your hole deeper and deeper. its funny to watch, but eventually you need to admit (at least to yourself) that you dont have a bloody clue what you are talking about.

well if all the wires connect to the ECU then i didnt have to cut anything did i?? since the ECU connector is attached to the engine and the ECU is a separate unit...so why will i have to cut anything???

im good at digging....as many people can say...but it would help if u stop writing essays..iv never been good at those lol

you really dont undersntand the basics.

the ecu connector is not attached to the engine, only the ecu.

the wires from the ecu connector go to several places in the engine bay to connect to the different sensors and actuators.

if you dont like reading, see the attached pic, it shows how it works.

now do you understand why we can see very easily that you are obviously telling lies? if you fit the 1.6 engine and ecu you also need to fit the loom, its common sense and standard practice.

that still shows all the sires from there lead to the engine?? which is what im saying lol....if u really want to carry on then go for it lol...i can go forever...not much excitement in my life lol...but if u want to proof me wrong...u are welcome to have a look in my engine bay urself....


this has been blown out of proportion completely!! i was trying to help the lad lol....and joske gave up...ur obviously not giving up lol...when i get on my pc at home again ill get a picture off there with a view of the engine from the other side, and i think u can see the ECU connector there lol....so really i still argue the fact that i didnt cut anything that came anywhere near the ECU...i cut the petrol pipes to make them fit...not the connectors dodo!!

The only way i can see you being able to fit the engine without chopping wires was if you swapped the wiring loom as well shaun, just on the 2 different 1.6's there are differences nevermind on a completly different engine.

right then





1. - ECU

2. - the connector which connects the engine to the rest of the car's wiring loom ( in the second picture it is in the empty space lol)

3. - a black box with a lead/connector in


right...well allt he wires that (as i recall) connect to the engine is there.

that number 2 had the same connector and the same amount of pins inside. sooo....


is there another one trying to show me up?? foooolssss