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AquaSpirit

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Im still quite new to the car scene, so could someone please explain the measurements and such concerning rims and tyres.

Also i'd like to know how TSW Zenons are fitted?

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
PCD is the bolt pattern it needs to be 98x4 or you can go 100x4 using wobbly bolts

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and that means 4 bolts, 98mm across the bolt circle?
Wobbly bolts?
Also how are tyres measured up for rims?

Hope you dont mind me asking all these questions......

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
Okay I'll explain this leaving out as much detail as I can, because it can get quite boring and quite technical when talking about centre bores etc.

PCD
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The PCD is the single most important thing when buying a set of wheels. If the PCD is wrong, the wheels won't physically go on the car no matter how much you kick them. The PCD is basically the stud pattern. The measurement measures how far the holes on the wheels are away from each other. So a PCD of 4x100 means there are 4 bolts with 100mm between them. Incidentally, 4x100 is the most common wheel measurement. Fiats (and some alfa's and lancia's) use a fairly rare PCD of 4x98. You can get 4x100 wheels to fit with wobbly bolts, as 2mm isnt that much. Personally, if at all possible I would try not to use them. Having said that people who have used them don't report any major problems, other than the occasional wheel vibration over 80mph. (This could be in their head or even wheel balancing - it probably isnt even the bolts). Remember though that you'll have to buy the bolts adding £25 or so onto the cost of your alloys.

OFFSET
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The wheel offset is less vital to get right than the PCD, but still important, especially if you are fitting alloys that are much bigger than your car's standard wheels. Its the distance from the mounting part of the wheel (the bit that touches the hub) to the actual centerline of the alloy wheel. The higher the offset, the further "in" to the car the wheel will sit, the lower the offset the further "out" the wheel will sit. The problem is that when you buy larger and wider wheels than standard, you don't necessarily need the same offset as the standard wheel was. This makes things difficult when chosing the offset for your car. As a general rule, aim for as close to the standard offset as possible if youre not sure. (or ask someone who knows). I'll give you two examples of how you can cock this up. First, on a seicento if you chose an offset that is too high, like ET40 (ET means offset), then the wheel will rub on the inner trailing arm, particularly if you have bought wider wheels than standard. So when fitting 6 inch wide wheels try to get an offset as close to ET30 as possible. Because this is difficult, and the most common offset is ET35, you'll probably fall in love with some ET35 wheels. In this case, you can fit wheel spacers that "push" the wheel further out. An easy (but technically innacurate) way to think about it is that a 3mm spacer reduces your offset by 3mm. So a 3mm spacer on a ET35 wheels makes them ET32, and now they should fit okay. The second way you could cock it up is to buy an offset that is too low. This will push the wheels out towards the arch too much. In a minor case you can do some arch work and they shouldnt rub. In a major case, they will stick out of the side of the car like a beach buggy. My Dad demonstrated this nicely when he fitted 550 Maranello wheels to his Testarossa. The wheels were not only slightly wider than standard, but the offset was far too low. The rear wheels stick out of the arch by a good inch, and it looks ridiculous. Unfortunately, whilst you can fix a high offset problem with spacers, the only way to fix a low offset problem is to machine the wheel, which is expensive and has safety implications.

So there you go - PCD and Offsets explained, probably as clear as mud.
 
I've just realised how long my last post was, I wonder if anyone actually bothers to read it!

I apologise for going into so much detail, but it annoys me when I see people on ebay selling wheels that will "fit any 4 stud car". Not only does their ignorance and lack of intelligence bug me, but the person that buys them will probably realise too late that the wheels came off a Corsa and don't fit her Fiesta.
 
I read it! :) and kind of understood it. Let me try :

If I buy ET35 rims (because the ones I want arent ET30) I can buy spacers that will make them fit? I think I understand PCD... ;)

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
Yes thats correct. In fact its exactly what CentoEvo has on his car, ET35 wheels with 3mm spacers.

I found this diagram for PCD:
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And this diagram for Offset:
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Hope this helps,
Luciano
 
nice one Luciano!!

Ok so Im going to look around for some 14s (unless 15s will fit without bodychoppin?) what size tyres will I need (please can you explain the measurements)

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195-50-15 <-- I dont understand what all these mean. Please can someone explain for me?
And why dont they tell you the PCD and ET? This is all really confusing... :(

All this writing isnt going to waste guys, Im saving it all so I can look back at it when and if I need it :)

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
Aqua,

15 inch wheels will go on without any problems, if done correctly.

CentoEvo has 15x6 inch wheels, ET35 with 3mm spacers and he'll tell you that there are very few if any problems. No body modifications are required.

You will need 195/45/15 tyres.

The 195 is the width, the 45 is the profile (height of sidewall), and the 15 corresponds to 15 inch diameter.

You'll see that 50 or 55 profile tyres are cheaper, but I would reccomend going for the 45 profiles. Not only do they look better, but importantly they keep the rolling diameter as low as possible.

The companies dont advertise PCD or offset measurements available, because they want you to phone them and ask. Not many people know what these measurements mean, so perhaps they leave it off to save confusion.

If you want to know whats available, phone the supplier and they will tell you.

Luciano
 
thank you for the info, its appreciated.

How do you know that the wheel is the same width as the tyre (195) or are all tyres/wheels the same width?

Reading through my fiat manual, it says under "Removing the sporting kit" that there is already a spacer on the front wheels. They have to come off for the new spacers yeah?

Also can Seicentos only take 4 bolt wheels? Because a lot of the whels I see have 5, or more)

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
I don't really understand your first question.

If you buy a set of 15x6 inch alloy wheels, they are 6 inches wide. On 6 inch wide rims you can probably get away with squeezing on some 185's, or 195's, or even 205's. However 195 is the "correct" size.

(195 means the tyre has a nominal section width of 195mm)

So go for 195/45/15 tyres on your 15 x 6 inch alloys.

(45 means the sidewall height is 45% of tyre nominal section width)

If you're unsure how to fit the wheels take them to a respectable garage and ask them to do it for you.

If there are 4 nuts sticking out of your hub, I'm not sure how you would get a 5 stud wheel on(!) Your seicento needs 4x98 (or indeed 4x100) wheels, not 5 stud. There are plenty of 4 stud wheels available, shouldnt be a problem.

I actually know of people who have welded 5 stud hubs onto their Corsa's and other cars, so that they can fit on 19 inch alloys, that only come in 5 stud fitment. The hub conversion is a very long process, and will cost you thousands.

Hope this helps,
Luciano
 
"So go for 195/45/15 tyres on your 15 x 6 inch alloys."
So when I ask for tyres, as long as thats the reading, I should be ok?

What about that spacer I read about in the manual, does it need to come off?

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
yes, you need 195/45/15 tyres with 15 x 6 inch wheels.

Regards the front spacer, thats something you'll need to ask CentoEvo etc.

Although I think you only need 3mm spacers on the rear wheels - could be wrong.
 
If he doesnt reply here, ill pm him.

Thanks for all your help, it is really appreciated. Just gotta get the £££ together now for a nice set.

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Seicento Sporting 1.1 | Current Project : ICE Install
 
Got 4x98 17"?
while on the topic of mags, im after some 17" 4x98 mags with or without tyres to fit my alfa romeo 33, if anyone got some to sell or know a good place to get them online please email ne, or reply in the forum.

cheers

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P.C.D Offset C/Bore
4 x 98 30...38 58.5
 
Re: Wheels & Tyres

I actually know of people who have welded 5 stud hubs onto their Corsa's and other cars, so that they can fit on 19 inch alloys, that only come in 5 stud fitment. The hub conversion is a very long process, and will cost you thousands.

Hope this helps,
Luciano[/quote]

they dont weld the hub on they use 5 stud vectra hubs they bolt straght on
 
Re: Wheels & Tyres

haha ano mate was just browsing and found it ya never no there could be some one wanting to convert a corsa to a 5 stud lol
 
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