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Old 16-06-2021   #1
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When I had my DS I had a lovely set of parts books that I kept in the garage as they were useful to see how things went back together (as we all know taking apart is easy!) Obviously the world has moved on and we have ePer which is great for when I'm at the computer but I still fancied having a paper parts book. I could just print all the individual pages from ePer but I couldn't see any bulk print option and I wanted a bit of a mental challenge.

So, being a retired programmer, I thought I'd have a crack at producing a paper parts book. I got hold of a v84 ePer DVD and set about reverse engineering the database. It's slowly coming together and I've got an initial version. I need to do some work to show the modification and version details and to show the diagrams for sub-assemblies. In theory the program I've written should work for any of the models on ePer but I've only tried the Barchetta. I've a few thoughts on what else I'd like to include but I thought I'd share the work in progress to see if anyone else is interested.


Of course, if someone knows how to do a complete print from ePer then I could put my brain back to sleep . . .
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Wow, very impressive, and useful…online eper can be flaky!
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That is so helpful, thanks for doing this
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Re: Parts book

Thanks both. If there are any students of Italian out there I'm curious as to the use of the 'C' and 'D' prefixes to the modification numbers. The C code refers to models up to the date of the modification and the D for those after it.

With Google translate I'm thinking that 'D' might indicate dopo or after in English but I can't fathom what the C might be. It doesn't matter as the meaning is understood but, as I said, I'm curious.
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That is excellent, brilliant work. Post needs to be made a Sticky.
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Just spent a happy hour browsing through this fantastic resource.

Top, top work, Chris!
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Re: Parts book

Thanks to all for the positive comments. I've done a little bit of tidying up.

New in this version:
  • Page numbers
  • Date and time produced on front page
  • Added display of modifications to drawing titles
  • Added legend list to each drawing. Currrently only shows modification details for the diagram and parts therein.
To do:
  • Add list of applicable models to the legend list
  • Handle cases where the modification description is long and so disappears off the page
  • Add sub-assemblies to the document
While I've tried to make sure everything is correct, it's worth checking

http://eper.fiatforum.com/ to be sure. Please let me know if you spot any discrepancies.
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Thank you for your wonderful and helpful work and for your time!
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Goodness me, what a very clever person you are and many thanks for sharing the list with us. It will, I am sure, be very useful to a lot of us. Thankyou.
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Re: Parts book

Quote Originally Posted by Wiltshire Chris View Post
Thanks both. If there are any students of Italian out there I'm curious as to the use of the 'C' and 'D' prefixes to the modification numbers. The C code refers to models up to the date of the modification and the D for those after it.
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6 - Modifications

This field contains any information defining the applicability of the product based on the modifications made to the current vehicle model.

Each modification is defined by a 4 digit number (e.g. 5584) preceded by the letter 'C' or 'D', where:

'C' indicates that the product has been eliminated following the implementation of the modification

'D' indicates that the product has been introduced following the implementation of the modification

The implementation of a modification can be indicated with a date, an engine number or a chassis number. By placing the mouse cursor over the code for a modification, the system will display the description and the implementation information through a popup window.
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Re: Parts book

Thank you for the positive comments again.


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The implementation of a modification can be indicated with a date, an engine number or a chassis number. By placing the mouse cursor over the code for a modification, the system will display the description and the implementation information through a popup window.
Thank-you, that helps. I can now see that you can get one of five 'types' of modification attribute:
DAT - indicating a date
VET - (I assume) indicating a VIN or chassis number
MOT - again, I'm assuming that this is an engine number
TEL - ???
CAM - ???
To follow on from s130's comment, you can see this in the diagram for 100000/00 (page 2) where there are four incomplete engine parts.
  • 5895242 has a modif of C3145 which means valid up to date 15/5/98 and VIN 37640
  • 71713686 has modifs of D3145 and C3836 which meant it went from 15/5/98 to engine number 1502216
  • 71716142 has a modif of D3836 which means after engone 1502216
All of the above three have a compatibility of M1 which means the 183A1 engine. Lastly
  • 71717003 has no modif but has a compatibility of M2 indicating the 188A6 engine
I think the attached version of the PDF is as finished as I can manage at the moment (but I may tinker a bit and I'm always opento suggestions). In comparison to the last version:
  • Parts lists include notes.
  • Where a part has an exploded diagram then this is indicated by a '*' in 'Sub' column of the parts list and the exploded diagrams follow on subsequent pages. Drawing number 33117/00 (page 143) shows this well as there are exploded diagrams of each of the caliper parts on the following pages
  • Columns of text with long descriptiosn now wrap on to a new line so all the text is visible
  • I have tried models other than the Barchetta and it seems to work OK so I can produce those on request if anyone wants one.
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Re: Parts book

Well Chris I'll take this opportunity to thank you for your work on this.

Personally I don't need your work as I have last ePER Fiat did before going over KeyePER and later online subscription only content.

The likes of https://7zap.com/en/ really help all of us out depending on your Fiat model.

May I suggest an update to your impressive work, based on my experience with doing similar with the Strada Abarth parts lists/info.

Whilst Fiat basically own the original content and Copyright that forms the basis of your work you need to:

In your work:

1) acknowledge Fiat's Copyright

2) ALSO protect your position - a) by 1) and 2) by suitably marking/commenting your work/efforts in your own ownership rights.

I offer this info as having previously been burned by a website republishing the work I did on Strada 130TC parts and then claiming the work I did was not mine and I had no right to ............

Legally absolute rubbish but just be aware that other will use your "work/effort" to their advantage/etc. So you need to ensure your name/point of origin/originality is documented accordignly.

With that said just make sure you credit/acknowledge the original Fiat Copyright and the Copyright to what you have added/processed in your work.

OR - don't give a **** and let what happens happens.
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Thank you, that is sound advice and I'm sorry to hear about your experiences, that must have been hugely annoying and frustrating. In the DS world a small group procured and scanned many old paper manuals and made them available for free on the web, which didn't stop people burning them on to CD's and flogging them on eBay.

While I'm not overly fussed about my own copyright, acknowledging Fiat's is a wise move. I've added a footer to each page to indicate their copyright on the original data and mine on the code to produce the PDF.

My original goal was just to have something I could print, use and annotate in the garage to help myself and I'm happy to have ticked that box - just got to print the thing (I may filter out all the M2 pages to save some ink) and stick it in a binder.

I agree it's great that people are hosting the digital version, I was so pleased to see it when I got my B. I'll still use digital ePer when I'm in the warm but I do like thumbing through paper too and I've found things out about the B just because I've looked at so many pages over the last week!
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As an inveterate paper-thumber, I also find it very helpful to have a hard copy (and I've already found out some really useful stuff about the components of my B, so many thanks again!)
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Re: Parts book

I've uploaded the parts list into the downloads section of the forum at
https://www.fiatforum.com/downloads....downloadid=563
This should mean I can update it more easily as and when I find any issues. It's available as either one big PDF or a Zip file containing one PDF per section which makes it easier to print selected sections.
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