Register Login
endrop - for all your online needs
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-11-2014   #1
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Alternator Removal

Hola,
the battery warning light is on constantly on the dash. Battery has drained so i have now replaced it with a new one, but still the battery light is on. I took it to a garage and put a meter on whilst running and it showed 12, the guy said it should be a Reading of about 40. So we now think its the alternator problema.
Ive had a look under the car and the alternator is well tucked away and difficult to Access.
So can anyone answer a few simple questions for me before I attempt to replace the alternator myself.


Do i need to worry about timing belt, when i slacken the tensioner,
Or what it the best sequence for doing this job ? Is it tensioner then bolts etc, how many bolts are there ??
General comments to help me would be appreciated.
thanx Dave
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 06-11-2014   #2
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Guadalajara, Spain
Posts: 31
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

Hello arnietwo,
I don't understand what you measured.
The battery with the motor not running has a voltage around 12,5Volt. If you start the motor this voltage should rise to between 13 and 14V. If this does not happen, there is a problem with the alternator or with the voltage regulator.
In the german Barchetta forum I read that if you have the 65A alternator, it is easy to change.
BTW, is your Barchetta yellow? Mine is yellow and in March I was in the area of Calpe and I crossed with another yellow B on the road between Calpe and Javea.
Regards from Guadalajara
alcarria is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 06-11-2014   #3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by alcarria View Post
Hello arnietwo,
I don't understand what you measured.
The battery with the motor not running has a voltage around 12,5Volt. If you start the motor this voltage should rise to between 13 and 14V. If this does not happen, there is a problem with the alternator or with the voltage regulator.
In the german Barchetta forum I read that if you have the 65A alternator, it is easy to change.
BTW, is your Barchetta yellow? Mine is yellow and in March I was in the area of Calpe and I crossed with another yellow B on the road between Calpe and Javea.
Regards from Guadalajara

I was speaking to the guy in spanish so i might have got my 14 and 40 mixed up ??
I have a red barchetta, i have looked online and there appears to be a few options on alternators so i will wait till i take this one out before ordering another.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 07-11-2014   #4
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 72
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
suoixon has donated!
Sweden 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by arnietwo View Post
Hola,
the battery warning light is on constantly on the dash. Battery has drained so i have now replaced it with a new one, but still the battery light is on. I took it to a garage and put a meter on whilst running and it showed 12, the guy said it should be a Reading of about 40. So we now think its the alternator problema.
Ive had a look under the car and the alternator is well tucked away and difficult to Access.
So can anyone answer a few simple questions for me before I attempt to replace the alternator myself.


Do i need to worry about timing belt, when i slacken the tensioner,
Or what it the best sequence for doing this job ? Is it tensioner then bolts etc, how many bolts are there ??
General comments to help me would be appreciated.
thanx Dave
I replaced my alternator a couple of months ago. It took me about 5 hours, being an amateur with wrong tools and crawling under the car. I found cheap alternators here http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/alte..._v4760_g4.html
I know they have a Spanish site as well...

This is what I had to do:
1. Remove right wheel
2. Remove plastic wheel arch
3. Loosen the aux belt tensioner (you need to pull HARD) and remove the aux belt
4. Remove the second part of the exhaust manifold
5. Disconnect lambda sensor and gearbox reverse indicator.
6. Undo the two bolts from the alternator. The one at the top is really hard to reach.
7. Remove the starter motor, four bolts, one of the top bolts is difficult to reach.
8. Loosen the two lower engine mounts and lower the engine about 5cm. This will move the drive shaft a little bit, allowing the alternator to be removed.
9. Removing the alternator is possible, but very tight. You can remove it by pulling it towards the gearbox and then pulling it down between the drive shaft and the bulkhead.

Just let me know if you need any details. I don't have any pictures of the process but I still recall the details of the process...
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

suoixon is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 07-11-2014   #5
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by suoixon View Post
I replaced my alternator a couple of months ago. It took me about 5 hours, being an amateur with wrong tools and crawling under the car. I found cheap alternators here
I know they have a Spanish site as well...

This is what I had to do:
1. Remove right wheel
2. Remove plastic wheel arch
3. Loosen the aux belt tensioner (you need to pull HARD) and remove the aux belt
4. Remove the second part of the exhaust manifold
5. Disconnect lambda sensor and gearbox reverse indicator.
6. Undo the two bolts from the alternator. The one at the top is really hard to reach.
7. Remove the starter motor, four bolts, one of the top bolts is difficult to reach.
8. Loosen the two lower engine mounts and lower the engine about 5cm. This will move the drive shaft a little bit, allowing the alternator to be removed.
9. Removing the alternator is possible, but very tight. You can remove it by pulling it towards the gearbox and then pulling it down between the drive shaft and the bulkhead.

Just let me know if you need any details. I don't have any pictures of the process but I still recall the details of the process...

thanx, yes i downloaded the workshop manual and thats what they advised. But as u say its harder than first appears. Point 6 the top bolt i cannot loosen ??? i can get the socket on the end but there is no space to turn it. Did u accomplish it from underneath or above. Above appears even worse as the transmission fluid reservoir is in the way ?
Likewise I cannot get one of the exhaust nuts off.
A garaje would just torch it off but ive not got those facilities.
So i spent 3 hours this afternoon on it and Little success, so hopefully tommorrow i might have better luck !!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by arnietwo; 07-11-2014 at 19:48.
arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-11-2014   #6
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 72
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
suoixon has donated!
Sweden 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by arnietwo View Post
thanx, yes i downloaded the workshop manual and thats what they advised. But as u say its harder than first appears. Point 6 the top bolt i cannot loosen ??? i can get the socket on the end but there is no space to turn it. Did u accomplish it from underneath or above. Above appears even worse as the transmission fluid reservoir is in the way ?
Likewise I cannot get one of the exhaust nuts off.
A garaje would just torch it off but ive not got those facilities.
So i spent 3 hours this afternoon on it and Little success, so hopefully tommorrow i might have better luck !!
The exhaust nuts are impossible to get off. I had to drill one of mines...
The top bolt on the alternator can be removed from underneath. It's a long bolt, and you need two spanners, one to hold the bolt on the side closest to the wheel, and another spanner to undo the bolt on the side closest to the gearbox.
This is by far the part involving most blood, sweat and tears. It's extremely tight and you barely have room to move the spanner.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

suoixon is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 09-11-2014   #7
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by suoixon View Post
The exhaust nuts are impossible to get off. I had to drill one of mines...
The top bolt on the alternator can be removed from underneath. It's a long bolt, and you need two spanners, one to hold the bolt on the side closest to the wheel, and another spanner to undo the bolt on the side closest to the gearbox.
This is by far the part involving most blood, sweat and tears. It's extremely tight and you barely have room to move the spanner.
thanx, im golfing tommorrow but will try again on Tuesday !! and then report back !!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 11-11-2014   #8
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by arnietwo View Post
thanx, im golfing tommorrow but will try again on Tuesday !! and then report back !!
thanx another 3 hours this afternoon and had to angle grinde off the troublesome exhaust nut !! then got better Access to alternator and managed eventually to get spanners of bot sides of top bolt !!!
Got it out without taking out starter motor or lowering engine ????


Can anyone advise which NEW alternator i need from Mister autos??


plateon alt shows
14v, 63321311, date 14- 95, type A115- 65A


thanx again
Dave
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 12-11-2014   #9
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 72
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
suoixon has donated!
Sweden 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by arnietwo View Post
thanx another 3 hours this afternoon and had to angle grinde off the troublesome exhaust nut !! then got better Access to alternator and managed eventually to get spanners of bot sides of top bolt !!!
Got it out without taking out starter motor or lowering engine ????


Can anyone advise which NEW alternator i need from Mister autos??


plateon alt shows
14v, 63321311, date 14- 95, type A115- 65A


thanx again
Dave

I ordered the CEVAM 4496 for my -97 B. It really depends on if you have AC or not. Check ePer to see the Fiat part number, those numbers are available on Mister auto's site. The CEVAM 4498 seems to be a good match for most older Bs.

The gearbox detail are available on page 22-23 in the service manual, the type should be C.510.5.17. If anyone gets a hold of the "Overhauling gearboxes" manual from Fiat please let me know. It's on eBay but I have not yet found anyone willing to ship to Sweden
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

suoixon is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 20-11-2014   #10
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Angry Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by suoixon View Post
I ordered the CEVAM 4496 for my -97 B. It really depends on if you have AC or not. Check ePer to see the Fiat part number, those numbers are available on Mister auto's site. The CEVAM 4498 seems to be a good match for most older Bs.

The gearbox detail are available on page 22-23 in the service manual, the type should be C.510.5.17. If anyone gets a hold of the "Overhauling gearboxes" manual from Fiat please let me know. It's on eBay but I have not yet found anyone willing to ship to Sweden
Another few hours spent under the car these past 2 days and have eventually fitted the Alt and refitted exhaust etc. Again no need to take starter motor out or lower engine ???


Main problema experienced was inserts in the mounts of the alt not matching up with space available on mounting lugs. So Alt was in and out about 6 times fine adjusting those inserts !!! Pain in the arse!!


Then when everything completed i started up the engine to then hear a horrible noise from pully or nearby !!!


I had enough **** for the day so switched it off and opened a bottle of wine !!!


Does anyone know if the noise will just be the new alt ?? do I need to spray some WD40 into the alt ??


Any suggestions ??
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 20-11-2014   #11
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 72
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
suoixon has donated!
Sweden 
Re: Alternator Removal

Quote Originally Posted by arnietwo View Post
Another few hours spent under the car these past 2 days and have eventually fitted the Alt and refitted exhaust etc. Again no need to take starter motor out or lower engine ???


Main problema experienced was inserts in the mounts of the alt not matching up with space available on mounting lugs. So Alt was in and out about 6 times fine adjusting those inserts !!! Pain in the arse!!


Then when everything completed i started up the engine to then hear a horrible noise from pully or nearby !!!


I had enough **** for the day so switched it off and opened a bottle of wine !!!


Does anyone know if the noise will just be the new alt ?? do I need to spray some WD40 into the alt ??


Any suggestions ??
You might have a small crack in the belt, or it's just old, in this case it will not have enough tension to drive the alternator. With a flash light it's easy to see if the alternator is moving. WD-40 probably makes it worse... If you let it run for a while you will start to see smoke as the belt gets hot, trust me, I know
If it's not the belt, it might be the tensioner not in the correct position.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

suoixon is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 20-11-2014   #12
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 21
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
Norway 
Re: Alternator Removal

What kind of noise? Is it the typical fan belt whine? if so I agree with the tensioner or belt itself. If it is a more expensive type of noise it may be the servo pump for the steering. It could of course be the bearing in the alternator, but that's something rarely seen and especially in a new or overhauled alt. Another sound issue in this area is the camshaft actuator, if the sound goes away over 2000 rpm this is your issue.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

SverreC is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 17-03-2015   #13
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

meant to thank everyone for their help !! job was completed sometime ago. the noise was a wrongly positioned belt tensioner. Its a bit of a pain, and i had actually unbolted it and had put it back on incorrectly. What needs to be done is just brute strength with a spanner to allow the belt to go on !!
yours Dave
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 07-02-2019   #14
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calpe, Alicante, Spain
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
Spain 
Re: Alternator Removal

Would you believe my alternator has gone again !!!
Puff of smoke came up when i connected the battery. Ive taken the alt back out and one brush is fcud and lots of carbon build up !!
So another cevam 4496 needs to be bought ! Mister autos 116 euro !
Done it all in an hour this time !! Due to previous knowledge and all bolts werent seized !!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by arnietwo; 07-02-2019 at 17:14.
arnietwo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(T) alternator removal p3rk87 Doblo 2 12-09-2012 08:39
(T) alternator removal bravo 1.6 p a scott Bravo 0 08-03-2010 23:57
(T) Marea alternator removal cascade1995 Marea 2 30-10-2009 20:33
(T) HELP!! Alternator removal HELP!! Mltiana Panda 6 01-10-2009 15:18
(T) Alternator removal.. arc Cinquecento / Seicento 9 07-03-2005 20:16