I know, I know, I know! Not induction kits again!

But hey, I can't get hold of the GSR kit since I've got a '97 B, so please: Can someone recommend me another kit that you are happy with? Something that sounds good :slayer: and preferably gives a few BHP more...

Green air do a nice one.

97 B Sounds good with an Induction, the engine has broken in well..

The CDA (Ram Air type) is ok.

I also wanted the GSR but they never came back to me. they must be so busy not to need the cash. Good news for them I guess.

The key with this car is to remove as much piping as you can and get a large induction cone. Place it where lots of cold clean air enters and your done. You can sometimes make your own. Go on e-Bay and buy a universal cone. Exhaust change is a must also...

Where can I buy the green one? I've also tried to get the GSR kit but apparently they need access to a B of the older model to finish and test the kit and no one seems interested in going there

Any idea if the CDA or green kit gives any additional BHP?

I've had the green induction kit on mine for the past 3 years and it's still working fine, the engine feels much more responsive, as for extra BHP who knows, but the extra sound is more than worth it. I've also retro fitted a cold ram air feed to the cone just to keep the incoming air as cool as possible, but it's very much a heath robinson affair and I'm not sure how effective it is.

CDA is very good. About a 5Bhp gain, more torque and a bass grumble noise. Fitting is a pain. I had to fit a smaller battery. If you have an older B with the MAF in the air filter then you'll need to be creative.

Downside is the faddle of dismantling it to clean and the cost of the cleaning kit (£70) I'm looking at 'non-OEM' cleaning solutions.

I've got the MAF just before the air filter box.... Is the green kit easier to fit? Anyone who's got any pics?

No pics but the green air is the easiest to fit

Take out everythning upto the Air Flow meter, then install it. (Search for Green Air Induction on google)

CDA on an older B. Best to rellocate the battery which I did (Pain of a job)

So advice is green air. Looking at the design and only from me, I would say the Green Air induction is better than GSR as it is stright through, no pipe bends to slow the air flow.

Warning - Your Fuel bill may go up, if you like the sound you will be harder on the throttle....

If I get this right that would mean having the open filter close to the ground pointing downwards? That doesn't sound as an ideal position from a dirt point of view...

NO - Remove the ducting, current air box. Throttle body====MAF===> Induction. all in a line. Then install cold air feed pipe.

Also if you leave the one ducting in (The one on the left) this will also feed air to the induction. Leave the induction the same hight at the battery to the right of the engine.

Try and keep the ducting in one simple line.

Ok, so the kit includes pipes from the throttle body to the MAF, and the MAF is repositioned higher up, just to the right of the engine? What about the thin oil vapor tube? Will I keep this and can I connect it to the tubes in the kit?

Regarding the ducting, the inlet ducting to the left, can I keep this as is or do I have to cut/modify it to make it feed cold air near the filter?

suoixon said:

I've also tried to get the GSR kit but apparently they need access to a B of the older model to finish and test the kit and no one seems interested in going there...

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That's not true, I've offered and so has at least one other person, and I'm sure LRB was involved in some early work on it.

suoixon said:

Ok, so the kit includes pipes from the throttle body to the MAF, and the MAF is repositioned higher up, just to the right of the engine? What about the thin oil vapor tube? Will I keep this and can I connect it to the tubes in the kit?

Regarding the ducting, the inlet ducting to the left, can I keep this as is or do I have to cut/modify it to make it feed cold air near the filter?

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NO. It's easy once you start. YOu have a 97 B, the MAF \ Air flow meter comes off one piece of ducting, the bend with the warm air feed in. After the airflow meter comes off. Then you install the kit. It will make sense when you start. It is easy.

@TJA: You're right, but if I recall that offer was in exchange for a free kit

Anyway, I guess Oldschool has other projects going on providing a better income since there are several potential buyers for a Barchetta '95 - '00 induction kit at least in this forum but progress isn't exactly at light speed

Nino, is this a correct description?

http://www.green-filter.co.uk/view_fitting.php?model=P368

That's spot on, nice to have it in English. When I fitted mine the only instructions enclosed where in French. It's a very simple job which takes about 1 hour. It's also worth re booting your ecu at the same time to get the most from the engine. Details of how to do that can be found elswhhere on the forum.

Agreed - Spot on - Buy buy buy......

suoixon said:

@TJA: You're right, but if I recall that offer was in exchange for a free kit

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Indeed it was, and I'd be extremely surprised if that wasn't entirely normal and expected. If I'm going to give up some of my time, spend money on petrol and provide something of mine to allow development of a product to be sold for financial gain (not mine I hasten to add) I'm not going to do it for nothing.

The offer still stands, Oldschool, by the way. One early barchetta with unmolested standard induction (so perferct for before and after graphs) available for development of a product with a proven demand, all for the cost of the development product. Sounds like a bargain to me.

Oldschool: We're throwing money at you - please pick it up (and deliver )! If I've got this right you've already started with the kit and just need to finish it?

Nino_1975 said:

CDA on an older B. Best to rellocate the battery which I did (Pain of a job)

So advice is green air. Looking at the design and only from me, I would say the Green Air induction is better than GSR as it is stright through, no pipe bends to slow the air flow.

Warning - Your Fuel bill may go up, if you like the sound you will be harder on the throttle....

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There is more bends bends to worry about in an induction kit. Believe me, bends is the last thing you want when making silicone hoses as they cost a lot of time. An induction hose is not just a piece of rubber or silicone there is much more to it.

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That's not true, I've offered and so has at least one other person, and I'm sure LRB was involved in some early work on it.

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When do you want to go ahead?

suoixon said:

@TJA: You're right, but if I recall that offer was in exchange for a free kit

Anyway, I guess Oldschool has other projects going on providing a better income since there are several potential buyers for a Barchetta '95 - '00 induction kit at least in this forum but progress isn't exactly at light speed

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I wish. Most of the money goes into development. I would be better going on benefits. And money was never a driving force for me.

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Indeed it was, and I'd be extremely surprised if that wasn't entirely normal and expected. If I'm going to give up some of my time, spend money on petrol and provide something of mine to allow development of a product to be sold for financial gain (not mine I hasten to add) I'm not going to do it for nothing.

The offer still stands, Oldschool, by the way. One early barchetta with unmolested standard induction (so perferct for before and after graphs) available for development of a product with a proven demand, all for the cost of the development product. Sounds like a bargain to me.

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Stop trying to make me feel bad.

suoixon said:

Oldschool: We're throwing money at you - please pick it up (and deliver )! If I've got this right you've already started with the kit and just need to finish it?

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Don't throw money at me. It might hurt.

The problemis the just finishing it.

All

I spoken to this nice chap twice about the GSR Kit. Sent him and another person several e-mails and I never had a wisper back. I have a 97 B which I show alot.

I wanted the GSR as I like personal items that are bespoke to the car. I know a lot of kits are generic and presumptions are made (K&N for example)

GSR has had some mixed reviews, mostly good I have to add.

But we all hear the same old thing. No one comes back to us. So we give up.

I was happy to drive to see the person in question, leave the car if he wanted it.

But I gave up after a few weeks of trying.

I have a web site where I sell parts and often give advice. GSR is something now I just say "Sorry I can not help" when I should be saying - E-Mail this person for a fully customised, proven and tested induction kit. best on the market"

I wish I could. In times of recession it's also good to help people out. That's why Henk from Barchettaparts has always done well. he delivers on his promise.

:hug:

Anyway Merry Christmas all.