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Boston! You get about !

While the rules and laws state you’re supposed to wear one I think a lot of shops said they would not enforce the rules to prevent their staff being out at risk of abuse.

I kinda like the vegan steak bake but it’s not as good as a proper steak bake so while I’ve tried one I wouldn't get one again.
 
Koche's postulates has never been proven on this virus

Koch's postulates never been proven on the virus

Koch's postulates never proven

So determined to make this point, and a good one to be sure, but I fail to see the relevance to the average person on the street, who - irrespective of whether or not this has been officially classified as a virus/disease, should still be doing everything in their power to try and halt the spread.
 
So determined to make this point, and a good one to be sure, but I fail to see the relevance to the average person on the street, who - irrespective of whether or not this has been officially classified as a virus/disease, should still be doing everything in their power to try and halt the spread.

That and Koch didn’t know about viruses they had not been discovered at that time and his theories do not apply to viruses because the best viruses do not cause illness or symptoms they use their hosts to multiply and the more they go undetected the better they reproduce.

A virus that kills the host or triggers a strong immune response is a very bad virus and will quickly die out or evolve to better go undetected to ensure its own survival. In the case of Koch his theories rely on a pathogen causing consistent and reproducible symptoms, which viruses don’t do. Our DNA is full of viruses that have worked their way into our cells and then managed to go undetected so much so they are now part of our DNA and we can use the DNA of viruses that is in our own cells to prove evolution and family lines.

Also in gene splicing and genetic medicine if you want to change someone’s DNA in a particular way the you use a modified virus to insert its self in the DNA at the point you want to change it and then code that modified virus to change the DNA at that point how you want to.... I’m looking forward to the latest genetic engineering discoveries from the umbrella corporation ?
 
I'm a new member and don't wish to offend anyone but the facts do not support the allegation of COVID-19 being a deadlier than ordinary flu. I have spoken to people in correctional facilities who were there at the height of the death reporting, where social distancing was a fiction, and they have confirmed all were exposed, a few got sick, no one died. This is corroborated over and over again with everyone I speak to. I am beginning to believe Alex Jones, Gary Knoll and others who have been telling us the real reason for the disruption and the masks is to complete the political capture of independent nation states. Trump, Bolsinaro and others are some of the few brave men who are opposing these very rich and powerful people and we would be wise to support them until more of the truth comes out.

anyone who thinks Trump is anything but a fool is a fool themselves
 
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Shakespeare once said "wisdom doth speaketh the fool" and I think he also said the wise know themselves to be fools. Is your wisdom displayed in calling me the fool?
Shakespeare didn't say inject people with disinfectant.

Read this entire thread you may learn something
 
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I'm a new member and don't wish to offend anyone but the facts do not support the allegation of COVID-19 being a deadlier than ordinary flu. I have spoken to people in correctional facilities who were there at the height of the death reporting, where social distancing was a fiction, and they have confirmed all were exposed, a few got sick, no one died. This is corroborated over and over again with everyone I speak to. I am beginning to believe Alex Jones, Gary Knoll and others who have been telling us the real reason for the disruption and the masks is to complete the political capture of independent nation states. Trump, Bolsinaro and others are some of the few brave men who are opposing these very rich and powerful people and we would be wise to support them until more of the truth comes out.

“I spoke to a guy who told me..... then I spoke to some other guys” but it seems you don’t have any first hand experience? Maybe go talk to the doctors and nurses working to fight the illness than some guy at a prison?

If this were to capture independent nation states, then were are all the news stories about independent nation states being captured and with trump being the president of the United States would he not be the person in charge of this plan, he is the commander and chief so has the final say on just about anything military that happens. If this theory were true then trump wouldn’t be telling the truth he’d be the one pulling the strings.
Also the whole world is feeling the effects of this, Do you honestly think it possible to get every country in the world involved in the same conspiracy just to capture some independent states? Countries destroying their own economies for what actual gain?

Mr Person, Man, woman, camera, TV is not the “Very stable genius” he’d like everyone to think he is. In fact

I think he also said the wise know themselves to be fools.
Was actually “The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool”

Which broken down means the fool thinks he is wise when he is not, while the wise man would know his limitations, he would know there are things he doesn’t know and therefore knows he is a fool

While I would not normally give any credence to Shakespeare quotes given that he was just a playwright, and not an expert, scientist or philosopher, in this particular instance, he was highlighting something that has been since investigated, explained and even has its own name which is the Dunning–Kruger effect
It’s worth looking at because Trump is the perfect example of that effect in action.

Shakespeare once said "wisdom doth speaketh the fool"
I’m not sure Shakespeare did say this, nor what it would mean if he had?

The USA has seen the worst of the deaths, and you could argue that the death rate would be substantially higher if it were not for the extremely well equipped hospitals and highly Doctors and nurses working in health care, also that we have a much better understanding of how to treat COVID patients and keep them alive than we did back in March and April, however it is killing and has killed a lot of young people, and people who were otherwise very healthy. It has also killed a lot of more unhealthy but still young, and it has killed a lot of old people. It is a new virus that the population as a whole has not been exposed to so any exposure means the immune system has to start fighting something it knows nothing about, and without the tools (antibodies) to fight it.

The flu on the other hand is something that has been around for thousands of years, is extremely well known to the immune system of almost everyone on earth and given that most people will have had it at some point we will all have some antibodies, meaning if you get infected, while you might get symptoms you will quickly fight it off. There are also flu vaccinations that we can roll out to vulnerable people to give them protection against the flu.
So if the flu does kill it is only causing death in instances where someone has a highly compromised immune system, or in people that are very old or generally unwell and unable to fight the virus.
People who catch the flu can stay at home drink plenty and spend a week or two in bed, people with COVID often need hospitalisation, and support with breathing.
If you want to look purely at the number of deaths you could possibly make an argument especially now about how COVID doesn’t kill anymore people than the flu, but if you look at the number of people in hospital and the treatments they need to keep them alive then you can quickly see how much more dangerous this virus is than the flu.

Anyone who thinks this is all some conspiracy theory to cover up something else, needs to look at how it is affecting the whole world, do you think you could get the leaders of every country in the world involved in one conspiracy together when you can’t even get republicans and democrats to agree on anything. Trump can’t even agree with himself most of the time.
 
“I spoke to a guy who told me..... then I spoke to some other guys”

Be wary of what is being promulgated by folks with no specific relevant qualifications or experience, particularly on the internet and on social media.

Pay close attention to what is being said by accredited scientists, researchers and healthcare professionals with direct front line experience of working with this virus.

All the people around the world with a meaningful right to speak on this subject are saying that this is way more serious and dangerous than what has historically been called 'flu. They may sometimes disagree on the precise details, but they are unanimous in their view that this is the most threatening healthcare issue that we as a global society have faced in living memory. Ignore their message at your peril.

Anyone who thinks this is all some conspiracy theory to cover up something else, needs to look at how it is affecting the whole world, do you think you could get the leaders of every country in the world involved in one conspiracy together when you can’t even get republicans and democrats to agree on anything.

:yeahthat:

The idea that this is some sort of great conspiracy theory is risible.
 
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I’m an old member on here and I don’t want to offend anyone, but this latest nonsense about coved 19 would be hilarious if the situation wasn’t so sad. Part of me however, being a cynic, believes this is a wind up. If, on the other hand the Shakespeare spouting person believes that the virus ain’t no deadlier than the normal flu, he needs to have a word with all the Doctors and Nurses on the front line, my daughter being one of them.

Sadly there are ignorant individuals on social media sites with ridiculous ideas about coved 19. Possibly even sadder are the individuals who believe all the nonsense and jump on the bandwagon.

Shakespeare quote,There’s no faith in thee, than a stewed prune.
 
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I’m an old member on here and I don’t want to offend anyone, but this latest nonsense about coved 19 would be hilarious if the situation wasn’t so sad. Part of me however, being a cynic, believes this is a wind up. If, on the other hand the Shakespeare spouting person believes that the virus ain’t no deadlier than the normal flu, he needs to have a word with all the Doctors and Nurses on the front line, my daughter being one of them.

Sadly there are ignorant individuals on social media sites with ridiculous ideas about coved 19. Possibly even sadder are the individuals who believe all the nonsense and jump on the bandwagon.

Shakespeare quote,There’s no faith in thee, than a stewed prune.

You know what I miss most - apart from full size Wagon wheels and Scampi-flavoured fries? Alien conspiracy theories. We had them by the shed-full int 70s. Why haven't we had an virus Alien-based theory? I don't partake of social media so maybe I missed it.
 
You know what I miss most - apart from full size Wagon wheels and Scampi-flavoured fries? Alien conspiracy theories. We had them by the shed-full int 70s. Why haven't we had an virus Alien-based theory? I don't partake of social media so maybe I missed it.

I’m another non social media partaker. Where I lived in the 70s life was easy and people looked and were happy. I was too busy chasing women and having a good time. Conspiracy theories was a term I new about but just wasn’t my bag man:D How society has changed, everything gets discussed to death nowadays practically everywhere you look. Mention a word or term that’s deemed inappropriate and the whole country seems to jump on the bandwagon. :rolleyes:
 
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