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I have a dilemma.

I have an old uncle, 40 miles away, living alone, and unable to go out,
I have been visiting every Tuesday to do a weekly shop for him, there is no-one else nearer.

Lock-down says don't go out. But allows to provide care or help to a vulnerable person. But to travel 40 miles seems a bad idea.

I have no idea who to talk to to get him help locally. All the advice I've found, NHS and Gov websites, give no contacts at all. Probably couldn't cope anyway.

I've tried to get online shopping to him, but can't get a new registration on those I've not used, and those I have are prioritising vulnerable people, but this needs to be registered, and their phoneline is too busy to get through. Take a video of the car and your destination before you leave as evidence so you have some protection on the return visit. Ask you local police to give you some support for the trip. Back in the day the police were helpful people and I wonder if things have changed so much if you ask nicely?

Tomorrow morning I will have to find some numbers and make some calls.

Unless anyone has any ideas?
With long life milk, tinned foods, large bags of loose tea, flour egg powder he could manage a few months without your visits. Just load up with long life foods and if the police want to be c***s about it just pay the fine. Myself I would ask the local police if they can give me something that supports the trip and I would video the fully laden car before leaving with some kind of evidence of the trips purpose, and so on the return trip i would worry less. If go to your police station they would be required to log why you came which could help you if you went to court.

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Millions of People in England live on top of each other in such densely packed housing they can't self isolate - and can't go out or the streets and parks would be too crowded.
I live in the land of the apartment building. In the cities, 80% of people live in a place at least 5 stories high, with minimum two separate apartments in each - it can be done.

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There are multiple governments doing multiple different things, in this instance my sceptical mind thinks that maybe Taiwan isnít being 100% honest with how they report deaths, especially as Taiwan are not part of the WHO.
This isn't China you know Taiwan would love to be part of the WHO, but they aren't allowed as it would upset Pooh.

We had 20 new cases today, all of them from people travelling back from other countries. 8 got caught at the airport.

I was talking to my friend in the UK last night and she was angry that there were no checks at Heathrow, but I dunno, it might be impossible. Taiwan started doing that a few weeks ago, and it was causing queues over 8 hours long.

And this is just a small island

People who are worried about panic buying though - look at the bright side - all those idiots that did it won't be going out for the new few weeks, so everyone else will be able to shop in peace
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With long life milk, tinned foods, large bags of loose tea, flour egg powder he could manage a few months without your visits.
I'm pretty used to social distancing, simply because I don't know many people here, haha. But even I couldn't manage a couple of months with not seeing anyone!
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People who are worried about panic buying though - look at the bright side - all those idiots that did it won't be going out for the new few weeks, so everyone else will be able to shop in peace
I went to the shops 2 weeks ago to get loo paper tinned food meat and other panic items and for a long while I did not notice anything peculiar. However the first thing we noticed was there were no shopping trolleys in the large area normally full of trolleys. We strolled around the very large store..........and then noticed the eggs were almost gone.....then there was almost no bread, no ordinary porridge, then we noticed no mince meat and suddenly the whole store looked like panicking shoppers so we raced back to get the last few boxes of eggs. We mostly got what we could and quite a bit of unbaked bread we could freeze and joined the long queues. Even at Christmas it is never like that.

As they say....if you are going to panic make sure you panic first. We were at least amongst the first. It was like a tsunami by the time we left the store.

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Interesting site, shows the world's population is still increasing even with the virus .
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To ensure people adhere to the social distancing rules, the authorities should ban showering and bathing!
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Quote Originally Posted by portland_bill View Post
I have a dilemma.

I have an old uncle, 40 miles away, living alone, and unable to go out,
I have been visiting every Tuesday to do a weekly shop for him, there is no-one else nearer.

Lock-down says don't go out. But allows to provide care or help to a vulnerable person. But to travel 40 miles seems a bad idea.

I have no idea who to talk to to get him help locally. All the advice I've found, NHS and Gov websites, give no contacts at all. Probably couldn't cope anyway.

I've tried to get online shopping to him, but can't get a new registration on those I've not used, and those I have are prioritising vulnerable people, but this needs to be registered, and their phoneline is too busy to get through.

Tomorrow morning I will have to find some numbers and make some calls.

Unless anyone has any ideas?
Hi @portland_bill - I think there are lot of grassroots volunteers out there in the community. I was reading about this one this morning: https://covidmutualaid.org/local-groups/. Your uncle's local council might also have some specific contacts for his area too, and the charity Age UK might also be of help.
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We had 20 new cases today, all of them from people travelling back from other countries. 8 got caught at the airport.

I was talking to my friend in the UK last night and she was angry that there were no checks at Heathrow, but I dunno, it might be impossible. Taiwan started doing that a few weeks ago, and it was causing queues over 8 hours long.

And this is just a small island
UK airports have thermal cameras, have had since the bird and swine flu scares about 10 years ago, not that checking temps is a very good way of confirming the presence of a virus, they did stop people in america as well to check their temps, the problem is you then cram a huge number of people together in a small space for a long time, completely going against the guidance on not spreading the virus

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I have been using this site. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

If you compare daily death rates for italy spain france and the UK then the death rate for the first 100 deaths is very similar and happens in about the same number of days (france had only one death for many days)

However I cannot see you can say the UK situation is then following that of Italy where interesting both the UK and Germany have very few critical cases. Spain and France are right behind Italy in the critical cases rate.
Whats critical cases got to do with anything. Do you genuinely think that website is accurate when UK hospitals are declaring a major incident because they have reached capacity on critical care beds. the only stats that really matter are the number of cases and the number of deaths, I'm not sure what you think the number of critical cases tells you. How can you only have 20 critical cases but then over 50 deaths in one day.

On the number of cases and the number of deaths front we are essentially tracking the italians by 2 weeks.
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Hi @portland_bill - I think there are lot of grassroots volunteers out there in the community. I was reading about this one this morning: https://covidmutualaid.org/local-groups/. Your uncle's local council might also have some specific contacts for his area too, and the charity Age UK might also be of help.
Thanks for the suggestions.

His local doctor surgery has no idea.
His local council has no plans or suggestions.
Haven't been able to get through to Age UK yet. I expect their busy.

Online shopping is the best bet, but so far unable to create a new account, and our existing account with Sainsbury's is not working because they are only allowing vulnerable people to buy online. Both myself and my partner are categorised as vulnerable, as is my uncle, but unable to get our account updated due to their contact being phone only, and no queueing system.

Looks like today at least, I have to go out.
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Looks like today at least, I have to go out.
Don't worry about it, you have to do it and under the current rules its perfectly allowed.
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Don't worry about it, you have to do it and under the current rules its perfectly allowed.
This. If you're travelling there by car, I don't see why it matters whether he's 40 miles away, or just 4.

The chances of being interrogated by the police about your movements are slim to zero (this might change if there is a further tightening of the rules) as people are still being allowed to travel to work, if they can't work from home. And in the unlikely event that you are stopped, you have a perfectly valid reason, as Andy said.

My experience today, in the wilds of NE Suffolk with no near neighbours, is that I've seen more people walking along the footpath at the bottom of my field than you'd normally see on a sunny bank holiday. Funny how, if you tell people they have to stay in, they get this desperate urge to go for a walk!
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I was speaking with a couple of mates of mine today who are Police, and they said from what they've been told, there's no need to stop vehicles in general, as travel to supermarkets/medical needs/vulnerable/work is still permitted.

They said the only time they may consider stopping a vehicle is if it's travelling late at night.... the likelihood of it being a "necessary" journey is a lot lower being that most places are shut.

They've been told their priority is to stop people congregating....they're still having reports of people having loads of friends round for a BBQ in the back garden.

Personally, I'd have no issue driving any distance to help a vulnerable person....if I don't come into contact with anyone else, I don't see the issue.

However I think the restrictions will get tighter.... purely because some people completely ignore the direction, and others try and push it to the limit....and so like Europe, written permission will be needed.

I was going to go for a 1/2 hour cycle along the canal this afternoon..... normally quiet and empty....went down there today....my local towns high street on market day is less busy!!
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How can you only have 20 critical cases but then over 50 deaths in one day.
I agree the data must be wrong. However on the subject of being wrong what was it you were saying about air conditioning testing?
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I agree the data must be wrong. However on the subject of being wrong what was it you were saying about air conditioning testing?
Obviously you're remembering something petty and pathetic that I couldn't care less about.

In this instance, you're quoting irrelevant figures, that's all i'm calling out. as of today another 87 new deaths (only apparently 20 critical cases, so well done to your everso accurate website) I don't think any of those people, their family or their friends care about anything else you want to bitch about at the moment, I certainly don't, maybe its time to realign your priorities.
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How can you only have 20 critical cases but then over 50 deaths in one day.
Sadly that could be because once you die, you are no longer critical.
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