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Re: Coronavirus - The Thread :(

Well said that man!
But unfortunately be prepared for the onslaught from the "experts" !
Perhaps the people in the shops have realised like you that this is a personal choice and that the idea of protecting others rather than yourself sounds great, and if it were demonstrably true would be a different matter. But can anybody explain how a non-surgical spec mask (like most of us are wearing) that has holes far larger than the virus aerosols and gaps round the sides can protect either the wearer or the other person? Is there a one-way filter we are not aware of?
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The way protection happens via such a mask is by slowing down the outblowing speed. If you are wearing such a mask, and you are keeping a certain distance to the opposite, you are moving mostly in your own blow-outs with only a little of the latter passing over to the opposite person. If it is windy the outblow is spread very early because its speed is quite low in relation to the surrounding wind.
There will be no 100% protection possible, anyway. What can be done quite easily is to reduce the risk for others to be infected.
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Quote Originally Posted by pooroldcodger View Post
Well said that man!
But unfortunately be prepared for the onslaught from the "experts" !
Perhaps the people in the shops have realised like you that this is a personal choice and that the idea of protecting others rather than yourself sounds great, and if it were demonstrably true would be a different matter. But can anybody explain how a non-surgical spec mask (like most of us are wearing) that has holes far larger than the virus aerosols and gaps round the sides can protect either the wearer or the other person? Is there a one-way filter we are not aware of?
Well, we've all had enough of "experts", haven't we? After all, what the hell do they know?

If you're still in the dark, 18 months into the pandemic, about the effectiveness of masks in stopping the exhalation of droplets, then heaven help us all.
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But unfortunately be prepared for the onslaught from the "experts" !
Quite honestly, I'm now completely past caring what others think about me. My Wife and I have just returned from a shop at a major name supermarket, and just to be mindful of others, I did actually put my mask on. That was until within 30 seconds of walking through an isle, an announcement came over the tannoy, one of those pre-recorded things stating that although Govenment guidelines have now changed so that people aren't officially required to wear masks etc etc. The supermarket advice remains that shoppers and staff should continue to do so where possible, normal exemptions apply for those that either genuinely can't wear a mask. I say genuinely, because I've met more than one person who has admitted they purposely sourced one of those 'special lanyards' to make others think they had a genuine health reason why they couldn't wear a mask. Yes, those people really do exist, but no one calls them out for fear of the backlash.


But to my point, it was then on looking around, that I noticed almost all of the floor staff in the supermarket weren't wearing a mask, just a couple of staff on the tills, but most everyone else not wearing them. So my mask came off, but then probably 60 percent of all of the customers in there had also chosen not to wear a mask.

As I said previously, Covid is undoubtedly here with us for life and we will learn to both live and die with it just as we live and die with so many other things that afflict the human race. I'm not going to argue with anyone who wants to shut themselves off from the rest of society for the remainder of their days. I hear what they say and I respect their right to give their viewpoint but I'm going to get on with my life Covid or no Covid, mask or no mask.


At the end of the day, people are very naturally scared of Covid, just as they were scared of AIDS/HIV, but it will pass. C'est la vie.
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Well, we've all had enough of "experts", haven't we? After all, what the hell do they know?

If you're still in the dark, 18 months into the pandemic, about the effectiveness of masks in stopping the exhalation of droplets, then heaven help us all.
I would like to add that I have never not worn a mask in places where I have been required to, although I could have easily claimed legitimate medical exemption.
If I or anybody else was coughing and spluttering then we should not be in other people's faces and should stay at home.
From what I have read and heard the way that this virus is spread is via aerosol transmission and I can not find any definitive studies on the effectiveness of everyday cheap masks for preventing this because as somebody I heard said recently it is like trying to use a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out. If such a study exists please send me the link anybody.
The face mask issue is being nudged again by the behavioural "scientists" who are running this show as being a simple choice of "wear one if you are a good guy and don't if you are selfish".
I would say that unfortunately but perhaps understandably all of our reactions to this situation are based on how they affect us personally.
So if you are for example a retired public sector worker who rarely goes to the shops, couldn't care less about the travel industry, and doesn't need to worry about earning a living because you have a lovely state pension, then you will have a certain view and can afford yourself the luxury of thinking you are taking the moral high ground. But if you are a self-employed person who has spent their life building up a business only to see it destroyed are you not going to question more some of the ludicrous decisions that are being made by this weak and utterly incompetent government?
My final word on this is that this is a car forum and we should all be very careful about pinning our colours too firmly to one mast or other because we are an awful long way from knowing the truth of how this pandemic has been handled. Indeed I bet we never truly will. So we are all speaking with partial knowledge at best, and might end up looking very silly indeed.
if we are still around in a few years time, I still want to be able to talk about my little Panda "Colour" and not be thought of as a bloke who held a different view to somebody else, but never did anything to put anybody else in danger - just the opposite in fact.
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From what I have read and heard the way that this virus is spread is via aerosol transmission and I can not find any definitive studies on the effectiveness of everyday cheap masks for preventing this because as somebody I heard said recently it is like trying to use a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out. If such a study exists please send me the link anybody.
My understanding is that whilst the virus is significantly smaller than the mask holes, the moisture droplets that carry it are mostly caught by the mask. This is why the mask gets damp inside. So they are most effective at preventing the wearer spreading what they might have.

Generally, when speaking, exhaled droplets will fall within 1.5m, hence the 2m rule. When speaking more loudly, shouting, or singing, the droplets are exhaled faster, and can dry out in flight, leaving the virus airborne. This is why gatherings like parties and weddings were restricted, as noise levels cause people to shout, as do night clubs, etc. You'd have thought that cinemas could have stayed open, aren't people supposed to be quiet there?

If the mask is used for some time, or when using a degree of effort, it can get quite wet inside. At that time it should be replaced, and the used one disposed of carefully, or washed. I think we were supposed to carry plastic bags to put them in. (Like a doggy-doo bag, but without the need for a dog.)

If the outside of the mask is touched, (none of us do that do we?), the moisture can be forced/drawn through the mask, allowing the virus, if present, to be expelled. Also, once the barrier is breached in this way, virus particles landing on the outside, can transfer to the inside via the moisture, to be inhaled by the wearer. (Like a tent that keeps the rain out, until you touch it, then the water passes through becuase the sufrace tension is broken.)

There appears to have been almost no flu cases last winter, suggesting that mask wearing does have some effect.
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Iím seeing food shortages when Iím out doing the weekly shop, apparently drivers are being ďpingedĒ and having to isolate. Drivers are becoming less and less up here. Our local paper has printed, donít panic buy Aye! Right, no one will think of doing such a thing will they?
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I went out and did my usual weekly supplies shop today, in my nearest Tesco (albeit in the next town Bexhill, but the perfect excuse to take my classic Panda out along the seafront)

It was exactly as last Friday, with the vast majority wearing masks. Plenty of hand sanitizer and cleaned trollies. The only staff not wearing masks were on the tills, behind screens. They are still running the traffic light entry system but itís never busy in the mornings, so the light is always green. Iíve yet to have to queue there.

No food shortages per say - and no sign of anyone panic buying.
A couple of things I normally buy were not available, but I easily found suitable alternatives.

Farm shop for dog food and petrol station to pop a tenner in the old girl also found everyone masked up.
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It was exactly as last Friday, with the vast majority wearing masks. Plenty of hand sanitizer and cleaned trollies.
Much the same here in rural Dorset.
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Tesco Swindon seemed OK for stock, but Sainsbury's looked like some sections were having a closing down sale.

Covid app is pinging excessively, as it will pick up bluetooth presence, which is quoted as having a range of up to 10metres. It is therefore pinging people who may not be at risk at all, and soon will get ignored, or turned off/uninstalled. Then we'll miss the real carriers.

Driver shortage is also affected by many EU citizens going home, having not done the paperwork to stay by the deadline.
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Driver shortage is also affected by many EU citizens going home, having not done the paperwork to stay by the deadline.
Im wondering if the peple have also made 'adjustments' to their lifestyle.( similar to the Catering industry). can earn 80% of the money for 60% of the hours..and be home at night

When the M4 was shut last week and we all shunted along B roads for 2 hours I noticed how many 'Truck Drivers' were not male.
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Re: Coronavirus - The Thread :(

My Employer ..in England..

Sent out an Email stating that due to Westminsters easing of Covid restrictions

No Masks. reduced Social Distancing
And a return to The Office for those we havent seen in 15 months

Followed by the Regional manager ..also in England..saying :
'As you were' local Delta Variant levels are too high - keep all the Restrictions
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My middle one is sick with covid in Manchester. She was" fully immunised " - stupid statement that one. She is caeful and aware as a bio medical scientist for NHS.

5 girls now in islolation at her home. Many many more contacts will follow. But be aware the vaccines ARE NOT a panacea for going mad. They may reduce the consequences but they DON NOT prevent Delta infection.

My son in New York said weeks back US advice is 3 diese of AZ are required to give a half decent protection from delta.

K had the modena vaccine.

She reports feeling worse than ever before. She is clearly pretty ill and this causes us significant distress.

NHS covid line said her symptoms when she suspected infection were not covid and 2 home tests were negative,

She was convinced and listed all known symptoms when they eventually relented and she tested positive she have been in circulation for 5 days.

It seems we are being treated like mushrooms by the governemnt yet again.

The moral of this is

* Do your part wear your masks and wash hands etc as advised
* KEEP YOUR GUARD UP, take precautions and avoid heavily populated places like Manchester trams where she thinks she contracted the virus.
* If you think you are ill and need a test be insistent
* Dont trust the home brew covid tests to be accurate all the time

Good luck and be safe

I hope this makes just 1 person take action as this disease is mighty unpleasant at best.
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Much the same here in rural Dorset.
And Norfolk- thanks to those who are being sensible.
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My middle one is sick with covid in Manchester. She was" fully immunised " - stupid statement that one. She is caeful and aware as a bio medical scientist for NHS.



The moral of this is

* Do your part wear your masks and wash hands etc as advised
* KEEP YOUR GUARD UP, take precautions and avoid heavily populated places like Manchester trams where she thinks she contracted the virus.
* If you think you are ill and need a test be insistent
* Dont trust the home brew covid tests to be accurate all the time

Good luck and be safe

I hope this makes just 1 person take action as this disease is mighty unpleasant at best.
Indeed.. I hope they get through this well


Back in January my GP signed me off

2 negative tests but correct symptoms

The GP said.. (local rates were @1250/100,00)
' we see too many incorrect results..both Positive and Negative' dont risk spreading it'
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