Coronavirus - The Thread :(

[dave]

That's really depressing. I don't know why but that's really affecting me this evening.

It's a huge struggle at the moment with working from home and home schooling 3 kids. I, like everyone else, feel like I'm now doing 4 jobs badly instead of one

The longer this **** goes one the harder it is to find something bright so hearing the news about Colonel Tom is rough. I can't really figure out why as I don't know the bloke and got pissed off at the time with the fake celebrity fawning that went on around him.

Hang in there everyone is feeling the same who are home schooling you can only do your best. March is only 5 weeks away with any luck we may be in a better place then.

 

[Maigretnz]

Went to a car show yesterday. The person next to us said the whole Covid thing is a beat up by the media. Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc. When I quoted stats she just claimed they were made up. These people exist.

 

[Crossingkeeper]

Went to a car show yesterday.

Where in the world was this?

Edit; googled location & understand now....happy to swop places with you!

 

[DaveMcT]

My aunt died from pneumonia in 2008. She was 104 and had dementia memory loss so who knows ho much she understood of what was going on. I do know that in her pre dementia days she'd have said we all have to go sometime so please don't try too hard to keep me going. Her choice of course as it always should be.

 

[09 johno]

Went to a car show yesterday. The person next to us said the whole Covid thing is a beat up by the media. Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc. When I quoted stats she just claimed they were made up. These people exist.

I suppose when your in a country that has kept itself isolated and free of the virus, understanding, what is going on in the rest of the world is a bit more difficult.
As for 'friends touring Europe, yes they possibly could be due to the freedom of movement within Europe (Uk is no longer under those rules), however, EU countries are starting to go back to curfews and lock-downs again.

 

[dave]

Went to a car show yesterday. The person next to us said the whole Covid thing is a beat up by the media. Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc. When I quoted stats she just claimed they were made up. These people exist.

They need to see this https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000rxqm/london-and-the-second-wave

 

[varesecrazy]

They need to see this https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000rxqm/london-and-the-second-wave

They wont have a licence..

Thats too Focussed.. they will just say its a propaganda piece.

Anybody who just watched the 'Hospital' series filmed in Sept.Oct in south London hospitals will see the reality.

 

[dave]

They wont have a licence..

non uk people dont need one

 

[e42b]

Went to a car show yesterday. The person next to us said the whole Covid thing is a beat up by the media. Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc. When I quoted stats she just claimed they were made up. These people exist.

This is definitely a lie. The Netherlands are locked down, so are the French, and the Spanish. Here in Germany, people are still able to go to work, if that can't be managed by home office. We passed a federal law on that. The only thing you can buy is food. All other stores are closed, pubs are closed, culture is closed. No haircut no nail styling. No private sports, even angling is forbidden.
No access to public buildings, food stores, or public transport without FFP2 masks. All counties with an incidence of above 200 are limited to 10 miles (15 km) way to go. All of them are located in the former GDR.
All these measures are easily recognizable on the net, on the radio, and on tv.

Alright, you met her at a car show. No car shows here. All activities which are beyond keeping people bluntly alive and in work are forbidden. All my artist friends are hanging on basic support (which is very basic). Hairdressers, pub drivers, and almost all 1 person businesses are out of work.

Why do people just lie about the present situation?
Or is it what they learned how to treat the truth while discussing Brexit?
I don't know how almost half of the Americans and a bit more than half of the UK people are able to just ignore facts.

We are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, and ignoring that is not helpful as far as i am able to consider the circumstances.

Alright, the UK is ahead in vaccinating in Europe. They put money into the business, maybe blackmailing as well what i don't know. So, at least some providers ignored already signed contracts with the EU.
Let's watch what will come out.
On long terms are we living on a common planet. We can only stop Covid19 by working that out in a fair way. Suitable alone is not enough, i think.

What's about all those poor states in Africa, Southern America, and Asia?
Lying cannot be an appropriate way to solve the crisis, i think.

 

[dave]

This is definitely a lie. The Netherlands are locked down, so are the French, and the Spanish. Here in Germany, people are still able to go to work, if that can't be managed by home office. We passed a federal law on that. The only thing you can buy is food. All other stores are closed, pubs are closed, culture is closed. No haircut no nail styling. No private sports, even angling is forbidden.
No access to public buildings, food stores, or public transport without FFP2 masks. All counties with an incidence of above 200 are limited to 10 miles (15 km) way to go. All of them are located in the former GDR.
All these measures are easily recognizable on the net, on the radio, and on tv.

Alright, you met her at a car show. No car shows here. All activities which are beyond keeping people bluntly alive and in work are forbidden. All my artist friends are hanging on basic support (which is very basic). Hairdressers, pub drivers, and almost all 1 person businesses are out of work.

Why do people just lie about the present situation?
Or is it what they learned how to treat the truth while discussing Brexit?
I don't know how almost half of the Americans and a bit more than half of the UK people are able to just ignore facts.

We are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, and ignoring that is not helpful as far as i am able to consider the circumstances.

Alright, the UK is ahead in vaccinating in Europe. They put money into the business, maybe blackmailing as well what i don't know. So, at least some providers ignored already signed contracts with the EU.
Let's watch what will come out.
On long terms are we living on a common planet. We can only stop Covid19 by working that out in a fair way. Suitable alone is not enough, i think.

What's about all those poor states in Africa, Southern America, and Asia?
Lying cannot be an appropriate way to solve the crisis, i think.

Not quite sure who you are calling a liar Maigretnz was at a car show in New Zealand that are back on over there due to a fantastically managed system by their government virtually corvid free, they did not themselves deny what was happening in the rest of the world, he was telling the story of a person who did he did not support the claim of the other person quite the opposite,

 

[dave]

Alright, the UK is ahead in vaccinating in Europe. They put money into the business, maybe blackmailing as well what i don't know. So, at least some providers ignored already signed contracts with the EU.

No blackmail UK started using first because they only had to wait for UK approval EU had to wait for the whole EU to approve.

 

[e42b]

Not quite sure who you are calling a liar Maigretnz was at a car show in New Zealand that are back on over there due to a fantastically managed system by their government virtually corvid free, they did not themselves deny what was happening in the rest of the world, he was telling the story of a person who did he did not support the claim of the other person quite the opposite,

I did not mention NZ because they did an awful good job over there. They went the way of just zero virus and succeeded. I talked about liars in Europe (islands included) and the US.
The concerning lady lied about circumstances in Europe as i understood the post. Quote: "Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc."

Neither NZ nor Australia were countries in question concerning the discussed post.

The car show was only a word to take over imaginable images into European realities. I confess that that was not nothing more than a rhetorical trick.

Some more: People claiming others have said is something i just don't believe any more. The former US president used that sort of construction like many others around the world. Practically, that means that i don't have any proof for what i'm claiming to be the truth but others which are not to be named have. In my opinion such a construction is nothing else than a camouflaged lie.

 

[andy1]

Went to a car show yesterday. The person next to us said the whole Covid thing is a beat up by the media. Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc. When I quoted stats she just claimed they were made up. These people exist.

Maybe she said these things out of fear/stress,
I don't go around saying these things but I do have my moments of disbelief
Like tonight, I can't sleep

Another stressing one is brexit,
I lived in England for 4 years and I still have friends and ties over there and
I am worried things will get worse because the EU will want to show leaving the Union is not convenient, especially to bipolar countries like Italy

Anyway,

I live near Rome and we are all wearing masks, even if there aren't gatherings

We have three colors red, orange and yellow,
every week each region is assigned a color based on its updated covid statistics
Since february the 1st almost all Italy regions are yellow,

That means cafes and restaurants can stay open but only until 18

 

[DaveMcT]

Alright, the UK is ahead in vaccinating in Europe. They put money into the business, maybe blackmailing as well what i don't know. So, at least some providers ignored already signed contracts with the EU.
Let's watch what will come out.
On long terms are we living on a common planet. We can only stop Covid19 by working that out in a fair way. Suitable alone is not enough, i think.

What's about all those poor states in Africa, Southern America, and Asia?
Lying cannot be an appropriate way to solve the crisis, i think.

UK is ahead on vaccines because they signed a contract in June 2020 agreeing to pay the providers to deliver best possible efforts to achieve the vaccine. EU wanted a more solid legal basis which no company could agree to (they had no vaccine back then). That caused the three months delay in EU getting eventually the same deal as UK - but to be delivered three months later.

The big problems are in the poor countries. They can't afford to lock everyone down and they probably can't afford the vaccines and they certainly can't afford the testing. Their only option is treatments (e.g. HCQ, Ivermectin, zinc, vitamin D).

The poor countries have been thrown to the wolves but they might actually do ok as the cheap medications do work against Covid-19

HCQ -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520301281

Ivermectin is more complex but again it helps
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/

 

[AndyRKett]

The poor countries have been thrown to the wolves but they might actually do ok as the cheap medications do work against Covid-19

HCQ -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520301281

Ivermectin is more complex but again it helps
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/

Top scientific research as usual, a paper written by some orthopaedic surgeons, because when I’m dying form respiratory problems what I really want is some bone surgeons giving advice on what drugs to use. And not at all written by some people looking to raise there own profiles and picking and choosing which studies to include. Oh and also doesn’t appear to be peer reviewed

Then there is the “Swiss policy research” which all sounds proper and official except it’s a conspiracy theory website, nothing to do with the Swiss and the authors are unknown

You need to do something better with your time than read all this utter garbage

 

[dave]

The poor countries have been thrown to the wolves but they might actually do ok as the cheap medications do work against Covid-19

HCQ -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...52297520301281

Ivermectin is more complex but again it helps
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/

Thought you was going to make a decent post then until we get to the crap at the bottom

 

[gar074]

The big problems are in the poor countries. They can't afford to lock everyone down and they probably can't afford the vaccines and they certainly can't afford the testing.

Covid doesn't respect borders. Unless this virus is tackled on a global basis, which means universal vaccination, it will be with us indefinitely. If left unchecked, it will continue to mutate, and the scientists developing vaccines will always be on the back foot. Meanwhile, there will still need to be testing, travel restrictions, social distancing, etc, and we will continue to live in fear.

The wealthier nations can afford to pay for the people living in poorer nations to be vaccinated. Not to do so would be inhumane. It would also be a false economy, because of the worldwide cost of living with, and attempting to control resurgences of, the virus.

 

[DaveMcT]

Covid doesn't respect borders. Unless this virus is tackled on a global basis, which means universal vaccination, it will be with us indefinitely. If left unchecked, it will continue to mutate, and the scientists developing vaccines will always be on the back foot. Meanwhile, there will still need to be testing, travel restrictions, social distancing, etc, and we will continue to live in fear.

The wealthier nations can afford to pay for the people living in poorer nations to be vaccinated. Not to do so would be inhumane. It would also be a false economy, because of the worldwide cost of living with, and attempting to control resurgences of, the virus.

Absolutely correct but the wealthy nations are crashing their economies so there's less to go around for everyone. I don't see any serious action to get vaccines into Africa, yet the latest strain came from (?) Africa.

Thought you was going to make a decent post then until we get to the crap at the bottom

Published scientific reports that are suddenly crap shows why we are struggling to solve this virus problem. We should be hitting this from all angles. Anti blood parasite meds are another weapon against viruses that we should be using. We know the side effects (minimal) and we know the costs (its cheap). Low Vitamin D is well proven to adversely affect the immune system. There is no need for special studies with reference to Covid. We know the elderly are often low and we know we all struggle for lack of sunlight especially in winter.

 

[jrkitching]

Published scientific reports that are suddenly crap

That's how science works.

In the early stages of an epidemic, noone really knows what's going on. Someone has reasonable cause to believe a particular drug might be of benefit, so they publish their thinking so that the rest of the scientific community can peer review their findings and see how much substance there is to their hypothesis.

Not all the drugs showing early promise go on to survive critical review. Scientists change their recommendations in the light of new experience-based evidence; this is a perfectly normal part of rigorous scientific procedure.

Unfortunately some folks who don't understand how the process works have pounced on some of the early published work and are promulgating it on social media as if it were gospel set in stone, not realising that the scientists have moved on and discredited some of these early publications.

 

[AndyRKett]

Low Vitamin D is well proven to adversely affect the immune system. There is no need for special studies with reference to Covid. We know the elderly are often low and we know we all struggle for lack of sunlight especially in winter.

Vitamin D should not be taken in high dose supplements unless directed to by a doctor and accompanied by blood monitoring. High dose vitamin D can accumulate in the system and lead to some pretty serious/dangerous conditions hence the need for blood level monitoring and if you have other health conditions these need to be taken into account before taking it.

It’s one thing to take a little low does supplement you got off the shelf in Boots, it’s another thing to start taking high doses of the stuff (which is what you keep pushing) without the proper guidance and the last time I checked you’re not a doctor (despite having delusions of such)

Very little of what we eat has vitamin D in it naturally, if you want to increase Vitamin D eat more fatty fish and go for more walks in the sun. Far better for all society if more people got out in the sun rather than sitting inside and spending all their time on conspiracy websites and “alternative fact” sites