Coronavirus - The Thread :(

[portland_bill]

Here is the most recent BMJ and the most recent research comparing the differences between deaths caused by flu and those caused by Covid. To those claiming it’s “just the flu” or “no worse” than the flu or any other comparison to the flu I suggest you get a copy of the BMJ and read it.

Backing up an argument with facts, there's no place for that here!:devil:

I am a bit confused by that. As you say yourself above you are the business so anything that is left over is yours. So why would you have a separate salry unless you wanted the business to pay you via PAYE.

If you pay yourself and list it in your accounts as 'Drawings', it is taken out before tax is calculated. This allows one to pay less tax, but then leaves less profit to count towards SEISS. I could not understand this, and still don't, as if I don't take out everything, what happens to the remainder? It is still mine. So not PAYE, but seriously affects the SEISS. If you account for all the money earned, and pay tax on it, it is done after the profit is calculated, so still leaves one eligible for SEISS.

You may have covered this; I haven’t been keeping up with all the chat. But MOTs. My MOT expires in February and the news is telling me I mustn’t go out. Is getting an MOT so I can tax, legally park, and finally drive my car to go get a jab classed as necessary? I suggest it is a must do or the buggers will prosecute me and tow my car. So there’s something like 2.5 million people a month having to mix with mot testers and other garage staff to do this. (And I do not believe any garage has a Covid safe waiting room so it’s out in the rain and snow while I wait - and likely fined for being away from home!)

The gov website lists what you can do, and what you cannot. Also what businesses can stay open, and those that must close. Here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#when-you-can-leave-home
Scroll a long way down to the section, "Businesses and venues that can stay open. Car repairs and MOT are listed there.
As said above, there's no extension to MOTs now, so needs to be done. Therefore an essential journey. Luckily I got mine done on the Fabia at the bottom of the road, just over 100 yds away, so could walk home. Had it serviced last week, a little further away, but weather was dry and little wind, so went for a long walk. Stood on a bridge over the A40 at Witney, watching all the traffic whizz by. Got a lovely wave from a lady in a Fiesta. Brightened the day.

 

[dave]

it says getting an MOT, if you need to drive when lawfully leaving home. If you have a shop in walking distance and are furloughed they could claim you don't need to drive?

 

[AndyRKett]

Backing up an argument with facts, there's no place for that here!:devil.

I know right !!

 

[CasLad]

Firstly, I did not intend to cause anyone offence. Apologies if I did. I also know people who have died from covid-19. I sympathise, but I believe that the risks of illness and death do not justify the lockdowns, mass vaccination and other removal of civil liberties that have taken society hundreds of years to acquire.

Twelve months ago I believed that there was a pandemic that threatened a large portion of the population. In March I began to read scientific reports and hear from Professors and Doctors who said differently. I believed them. These doctors suffered censorship, character assassination on wikipedia, had their books banned by Amazon, and were removed from Youtube and Facebook (Vernon Coleman and Roger Hodgkinson are two). One other dignified German doctor (Heiko Scoening) was arrested from Hyde Park Speakers Corner.

I then read about links between government advisors and Big Pharma, about how the testing procedure was a scam, and I had my wife's experiences in her hospital trust which did not match the mass media narrative (along with respected surgeons there who also felt the same way as I did).
Now, I don't mind the abuse that I have received on here for my post to this thread. It does me no harm and it discredits the people who have no other form of expression. I didn't expect such a response however, but I am willing to continue since I obviously see things in a different way to many others here.

As someone kindly said (sorry I don't know how to copy in previous text), "this is a forum", and it is for open discussion. If so, would someone please be willing to try and persuade me that I am wrong, point by point, in a civilised way? Or is this just like the way that the UK is becoming - like Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany - where people are censored for their beliefs?

There are too many different responses to my comments, so may I please pick the first one, namely the PCR test?
I provided a reference from a scientific paper by 22 independent academics that showed that the test was fundamentally flawed. The test is not designed for people with no symptoms, it leads to spurious results from too many false positives, and there are allegations of unscrupulous practices in that it bypassed peer review. In short, it inflates the covid-19 figures. This is then used by governments to impose civil liberty restrictions.

The test has been deemed unreliable in some countries: https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/

Andrew

 

[CasLad]

Link to Scientific paper (again) here:
https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

 

[dave]

Link to Scientific paper (again) here:
https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

Have you not got the message yet, you are not wanted here

vaccinations are not removal of civil liberties you idiot

 

[dave]

Twelve months ago I believed that there was a pandemic that threatened a large portion of the population. In March I began to read scientific reports and hear from Professors and Doctors who said differently. I believed them.

but we are sane here so we dont bye :tosser::whogives:

stop posting the same conspiracy links, all the questions you are asking are already answered in this thread, you dont have to go back to far to see how false positives cant happen like you think.

 

[AndyRKett]

There are too many different responses to my comments, so may I please pick the first one, namely the PCR test?

I’m sorry..... did you just completely ignore all the previous replies to your lunacy?? Then what’s the point in even wasting time talking to you, like all conspiracy theories crazies, you’re just ignoring the bits you don’t want to see and only reading what supports your “beliefs”

Go back and read my post and you’ll understand why no one is going to waste time “debating” you.

Btw I looked up your arrested doctor, all I can find is 5th rate right wing media websites reporting on his arrest, what I can’t find is anything else about him. No information about his history his credentials, what he has published, nothing at all..... weird ??
It’s like he’s not even a real doctor.....

Edit: I did find your Heiko Scoening seems he’s a QAnon conspiracy theorist and anti Vaxer. Founder of an antivaxers group, there is a huge amount of i formation about him that’s been deliberately blocked all except the bits about his conspiracy theory beliefs. It seems if you know where to look you can find the real info on him but considerable effort has been made to hide it. Now if you’re going to claim that he is a credible source of any information I think you have more serious problems on your hands, mainly being the fact you seem to have aligned yourself with a delusional right wing cult organisation. You’d be better off becoming a pastafarian

 

[bluecoral]

Anyone here already has the vaccine? I just read that some health workers are refusing to get it.

 

[Goudrons]

Anyone here already has the vaccine? I just read that some health workers are refusing to get it.

Yes, Monday 4th Jan.
First dose of the Astrazeneca vaccine on launch day.
Though I believe on one of our other major sites they've been giving the Pfizer one for a while longer, some a due their second dose of that now.
I have to wait until March for my second of the Astrazeneca one.

Our Trust has so far inoculated nearly 14,000 of it's staff which I believe is a very high percentage and they are still bombed out in the vaccine centres.

I've not heard on anyone refusing so far, everyone I speak to is either had it or is awaiting their turn, though I am sure they'll be some that won't have it.

I think most of my staff were waiting to see if I died from it before booking theirs!

 

[CasLad]

It is clear that this forum is habited by base clots who can only fling abuse. You are like playground bullies, and sadly this is what society has turned towards over the last 12 months. It happened in Nazi Germany and in Stalin's Russia, and our grandparents fought wars to protect it from happening in the UK.
Keep taking the blue pill, for I will not debate with you. I leave you to your own ignorant fate.

Read the Health pages on www.vernoncoleman.com
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[FONT=&quot]www.standupx.info[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.stopnewnormal.net[/FONT]
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[Twinkletwinklelittlestar]

It is clear that this forum is habited by base clots who can only fling abuse. You are like playground bullies, and sadly this is what society has turned towards over the last 12 months. It happened in Nazi Germany and in Stalin's Russia, and our grandparents fought wars to protect it from happening in the UK.
Keep taking the blue pill, for I will not debate with you. I leave you to your own ignorant fate.

Read the Health pages on www.vernoncoleman.com
[FONT=&quot]www.worlddoctorsalliance.com [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.standupx.info[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.stopnewnormal.net[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/this-shocking-police-attack-on-free-speech/
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Well, I checked out a couple of your websites and was shocked by the level of bonkers. You are entitled to your own opinions but I advise reading the opinions of others with a degree of questioning of their motives. A picture of a Nazi concentration camp with the entrance to Auschwitz emblazoned with ‘vaccines are a safe path to freedom’ - and you still don’t think you’re aligning yourself with nutters...?

 

[jimboy]

It is clear that this forum is habited by base clots who can only fling abuse. You are like playground bullies, and sadly this is what society has turned towards over the last 12 months. It happened in Nazi Germany and in Stalin's Russia, and our grandparents fought wars to protect it from happening in the UK.
Keep taking the blue pill, for I will not debate with you. I leave you to your own ignorant fate.

Read the Health pages on www.vernoncoleman.com
[FONT=&quot]www.worlddoctorsalliance.com [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.standupx.info[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.stopnewnormal.net[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/this-shocking-police-attack-on-free-speech/
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Aye you’re some piece of work fella. You really have pissed off a lot of people on here to say the least. Even Jock, probably one of the nicest mild members on here. Firstly, my daughter is a senior charge nurse up here in our hospital, she could tell a much worst picture of what’s happening regarding COVID. Very sad stories, I take great offence on her behalf, she and her team are stressed and burnt out, but I’m not going to dwell on that.

I look outside of the box and between the lines. You’ve been on here for a few years, and up until now no mention of a scientist or engineer. I say this as I’ve been looking through your previous posts, and regardless of your “cough” background, you ain’t got the skills to carry out simple jobs on your vehicle.

Only guess work but, your either up your own arse, a Walter Mitty type, or you could be a saddo looking for attention.

See back in the day before devises, computers, when we gathered in pubs to exchange stories and banter, if you came out with your nonsense, you would be thrown out the premises, and you could expect a smack in the mouth, maybe more if you still insisted in your thoughts.

I’m a great believer in free speech, but there is always an exception to the rule, obviously hiding behind your device, you can spout anything you want, easy to do that eh?

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Y'know, CasLad, this is a forum for people who love and work on their Fiat, and other, cars. I know we have this little "aside" in this thread which has, not surprisingly, come about because of this horrible virus and you seem to have stirred up and annoyed a lot of our contributors. Perhaps, as we are all mainly interested in cars - especially if they are Fiats - you could tell us something interesting about your involvement with cars or something which has happened to you involving a car? For instance, what car do you drive? Do you maintain it yourself? What do you think of it? Have you had an interesting experience in it? Do you use supermarket fuel or buy premium brands? Has it been reliable and if not what's gone wrong? I'm sure you get the idea. Please feel free to add anything else you think might be of deeper technical interest won't you.

Ps. I was composing this before I read Jim's post above - thanks for the kind comment Jim - so hadn't seen Jim's comment about this person's lack of mechanical competence. My invitation to contribute still stands though.

 

[dave]

It is clear that this forum is habited by base clots who can only fling abuse. You are like playground bullies, and sadly this is what society has turned towards over the last 12 months. It happened in Nazi Germany and in Stalin's Russia, and our grandparents fought wars to protect it from happening in the UK.
Keep taking the blue pill, for I will not debate with you. I leave you to your own ignorant fate.

Read the Health pages on www.vernoncoleman.com
[FONT=&quot]www.worlddoctorsalliance.com [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.standupx.info[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.stopnewnormal.net[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/this-shocking-police-attack-on-free-speech/
[/FONT]

what happened in Nazi Germany, only happened because people fell for their propaganda, like you are falling for the far right propaganda now.
You need to stop reading them links they will only exacerbate your mental health issues.
This forum is habited by people who can think for themselves, go somewhere else if you want to find more victims like yourself who are being controlled by trumpers.

 

[dave]

I just read that some health workers are refusing to get it.

In the UK?
Here Health workers can refer to care home staff, they don't have any medical training usually like a nurse would. I have seen a few of them post on facebook they want to keep the right to refuse that was before it had been rolled out but
I think now they have seen no one grew 2 heads they wont refuse when its their turn.

 

[portland_bill]

I think most of my staff were waiting to see if I died from it before booking theirs!

Well, don't keep us in the dark. Has it killed you or not. We need to know.

 

[portland_bill]

Keep taking the blue pill, for I will not debate with you. I leave you to your own ignorant fate.

Why do you keep referring to a blue pill? Are you obsessed with viagra?

Good to see you are going to leave us to our own fate. Goodbye.

Belief is a state of mind. Facts don't give a s*** whether you believe them or not.

 

[jackwhoo]

It is clear that this forum is habited by base clots who can only fling abuse. You are like playground bullies, and sadly this is what society has turned towards over the last 12 months. It happened in Nazi Germany and in Stalin's Russia, and our grandparents fought wars to protect it from happening in the UK.
Keep taking the blue pill, for I will not debate with you. I leave you to your own ignorant fate.

Read the Health pages on www.vernoncoleman.com
[FONT=&quot]www.worlddoctorsalliance.com [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.standupx.info[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]www.stopnewnormal.net[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/this-shocking-police-attack-on-free-speech/
[/FONT]

Hi,

Vernon Coleman is unreliable for instance he denied AIDS.

The world doctors alliance is wholly unreliable it's chairman has been suspended .

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2714

Members on here have experienced cv19 first hand , their experiences are worth listening too.

Some members have had very mild symptoms others have suffered very seriously indeed.

No one can predict the extent of symptoms , potential for death or long term disability for an individual.

 

[gar074]

I’m sorry..... did you just completely ignore all the previous replies to your lunacy?? Then what’s the point in even wasting time talking to you, like all conspiracy theories crazies, you’re just ignoring the bits you don’t want to see and only reading what supports your “beliefs” ... you seem to have aligned yourself with a delusional right wing cult organisation. You’d be better off becoming a pastafarian

This nails it (and especially the last bit. Personally, I've always admired the teachings of the Giant Spaghetti Monster, but I wouldn't trust my life to it in a crisis.)

As for facts, the killer fact (in more senses than one) is that there have been 85,000 excess deaths in the UK in the last year, compared to an average of the previous 5 years - and that figure is only up to last November, so the current spike in deaths will cause it to increase still further. The only rational explanation for that increase is ... COVID-19.

How do you like them apples, CasLad?

PS Until retirement last year, I was a university lecturer and researcher for 41 years, latterly as a professor. I am not a scientist, but I understand research methodology. None of the sources that CasLad referred to in his posts are authoritative. Just because something is on the internet doesn't mean that it is true. And as for that world-leading scientific source, the Conservative Woman website ... *clutches pearls*