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Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

As title says does the 595 Abarth have stop/start as I notice the button is gone from the usual place its currently occupying on my 500TA?

Also is there anyplace to download the manual from for the current version, would like to read it before mine arrives.

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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

As far as I can tell, Abarth's don't have S/S.
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

Why would anyone want the stop start? Huge battery, huge starter motor and more engine wear to name a few issues
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

Where's the evidence of more engine wear? Prius taxis do 500k miles and their engine stops basically whenever the driver lifts off the throttle. People seem to forget that a piston moving up and down 800 times a minute is causing at least as much wear as a hot start.
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

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Why would anyone want the stop start?
Because it's peaceful and quiet at traffic lights.

I love it, and I wish ALL vehicles had it. Why NOT have S/S?
Think about all those junctions with all the engines ticking over chucking out muck and noise.

Yes, it should be on ALL vehicles.

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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

I was in a taxi recently yes it was very quiet when it stopped but it did not start "instantly " more like you manually cranking it over for several revolutions before going which still makes me think how it/the engine may perform at say nine years old in this regard?
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Stop/Start on a turbo'd petrol engine could reduce the life of the turbo? Especially in the application of the Abarth versions which could potentially be used on full chat. The heat generated at the turbo could cook the oil when the engine is stopped and lead to premature turbo bearing failure. This is one reason why a lot of modified turbo'd car owners fitted turbo-timers to prevent this issue.
It's not much of a problem on turbo-diesels as the exhaust doesn't get nearly as hot as a petrol one.

Having stop/start on the abarth is a daft idea IMO.
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

It seems to be an eco feature, and I don't think people buying an Abarth are too concerned considering these little cars are probably still more economical than some medium to large saloons that aren't sporty!
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but Stop/Start on a turbo'd petrol engine could reduce the life of the turbo? Especially in the application of the Abarth versions which could potentially be used on full chat. The heat generated at the turbo could cook the oil when the engine is stopped and lead to premature turbo bearing failure. This is one reason why a lot of modified turbo'd car owners fitted turbo-timers to prevent this issue.
It's not much of a problem on turbo-diesels as the exhaust doesn't get nearly as hot as a petrol one.

Having stop/start on the abarth is a daft idea IMO.
I don't think it's daft.
Why not have it selectable? Default being the non S/S.

I know someone with an Abarth 500 and she doesn't go racing or driving it at full chat. She just likes the sportiness and power of the car.

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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

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I don't think it's daft.
Why not have it selectable? Default being the non S/S.

I know someone with an Abarth 500 and she doesn't go racing or driving it at full chat. She just likes the sportiness and power of the car.

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Not saying everyone with an Abarth drive like that Some do, and that might be why they decided to omit the feature from production for a reliability standpoint.

That's my take on it anyway
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

Yeah, you are no doubt correct.
Doesn't mean I agree with it though!

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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

Quote Originally Posted by brickfoot View Post
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Stop/Start on a turbo'd petrol engine could reduce the life of the turbo? Especially in the application of the Abarth versions which could potentially be used on full chat. The heat generated at the turbo could cook the oil when the engine is stopped and lead to premature turbo bearing failure. This is one reason why a lot of modified turbo'd car owners fitted turbo-timers to prevent this issue.
It's not much of a problem on turbo-diesels as the exhaust doesn't get nearly as hot as a petrol one.

Having stop/start on the abarth is a daft idea IMO.
I've seen the issue of s/s on turbo charged engines raised a few times here. I currently run a BMW 1 series turbo petrol and had an Audi A1 before that. In most modern engines, the turbo is water cooled rather than old-school oil cooled so oil coking on shutdown is effectively eliminated by design. Less so on the BMW but definitely on the Audi, the coolant pump could be heard running for a few seconds after the engine was switched off. I'd be surprised if the 595 was massively different in engineering.
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Re: Abarth 595 does it have Stop/Start

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I've seen the issue of s/s on turbo charged engines raised a few times here. I currently run a BMW 1 series turbo petrol and had an Audi A1 before that. In most modern engines, the turbo is water cooled rather than old-school oil cooled so oil coking on shutdown is effectively eliminated by design. Less so on the BMW but definitely on the Audi, the coolant pump could be heard running for a few seconds after the engine was switched off. I'd be surprised if the 595 was massively different in engineering.
Not so much a problem with an electric water pump then, not sure if the Abarth has one though
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How does this affect the Twinair turbo with S/S?
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How does this affect the Twinair turbo with S/S?
If I've just been thrashing it, I won't let the car immediately S/S. Otherwise with the water cooled turbo it's a non issue really, particularly if you coast to a stop, then the turbo's just pumping cool (ish) air prior to shut down.
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