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Old 08-03-2016   #16
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Re: A question of Service

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I suppose it depends on how long you're going to keep a car, bought new and kept for just under 4 years you may only have one service, great, and cheap.
But I have to buy used at 40-60k 4-6 years old and keep the car until scrap, at 2 a month per year changing the oil every year is the single biggest factor to ensuring the engine is trouble free, even if you do nothing else to it. Add all urban cycle and lots of short trips this is why I'll always do it at least once a year, colour of oil is a great indicator of condition too if you keep an eye on it.
No darker oil does't necessarily mean the engine oil is bad. My oil goes dark brown after a few k miles! Now if it is tar black and juicy then maybe, but from what i experienced that only happens 12k + in. I just service my car once a year regardless of mileage, and do the spark plugs and all filters as well. Can't go wrong with that = )

In Greece at the petrol stations the attendant fills the tank for you (unlike UK which is self service). So they obviously offer to have a look at your oil for you. If they see it remotely dark, they say oh you need an oil change let's do it for you, and then proceed to sell you their oil and do an oil change with their synthetic brand at 20 GBP a liter! They then tell you no you don't need a filter every oil change we can just suck it out and put new oil in! Oh and last time they spent about 2 minutes trying to convince me to put 100 octane petrol in (at 1.37 versus 1.17 EUR a liter it is quite a big difference and basically pure profit for them). Sometimes, and i notice them doing this to women a lot, when the woman driver rolls up she says 20 Euros please and the attendant puts the super petrol in. So when you roll up you have to say I would like 20 EUR of 95 OCTANE please! To which invariably they say why not the 100? We have it on offer today =)))

Frankly I just like the self service option UK style.
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At least you can check your oil. Not possible on my Renault Twingo! Under security screws under the boot - no access... I've been to the dealership to ask them to check at 2K miles and they did (free of charge) but I still prefer to have a look myself.... I need to buy some security screwdrivers methinks! It was so much easier on my old Fiat....
Melanie, does your Twingo say "Oil OK" on the dash when you start it? If so, you may find that pushing the computer button gives an indication of the level. At least that's how it worked on the Megane we ran til last year. That also had an accessable dipstick, which obviously I would check periodically too.
My son's BMW 325i doesn't have a dipstick at all.
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Thanks man, no lights on dash that I've seen (will have to have a better look at the manual) dipstick is under the boot floor so will need security screws to access. All other fluids under the bonnet... I'm sure that the system is sound, but would still be happier if I can check for oil- call me old fashioned! Sorry for the OT
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When you start the car and it says oil ok you just use the computer toggle button(the one that gives mpg, range, time driving ect ect) and it will show the oil level

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True story..... but when I was about 19, which was quite some time ago now, I thought I'd change the oil on the Vauxhall Viva I had at the time. I also thought it would be a grand idea to put engine flush in it. Well me and instructions at the time didn't exactly go hand in hand and I drained the oil from the car, put back the sump plug and then I poured the engine flush in and turned the engine over. Well you might be thinking, hahaha! engine seizure, no, it didn't seize, it ran, for the full ten minutes, I stopped the engine and I drained it again. I was more than surprised of the absolute muck that came out and then it dawned on me exactly what I'd done lol!

That car went to a family friend and lasted for about another 5 years after that, quite how, I have no idea.
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Nice one Frupi I have a similarly shocking story involving a friend's wife's Hyundai Lantra (twincam engine). They asked me to check it over as the engine was "making a loud clacking noise". I quickly determined there was no reading on the dipstick, and the oil filler capped off a black, smoky environment inside the engine. I asked David "when was the oil last changed?"

"Hey Raewyn," David replied, "when was your car last serviced?"
"I don't know," said Raewyn, "I thought you organised that".

It transpired that since buying the eight-year-old car four years and 50,000km before, no oil change had been done and the oil level not even checked.

The sump had less than a litre, so I drained it, put in three litres of a cheap oil plus an engine flush, and replaced the oil filter.

Even when run for a while, this didn't silence the multiple collapsed/stuck hydraulic lifters (valve tappets) - so I took the unprecedented step of spraying engine degreaser into the oil filler while the engine was running. I kept spraying until the noise stopped. That's the degreaser usually used for cleaning the outside of the engine - I reckoned it would work on the inside, too

Then I drained the four and a half litres of thin and dirty liquid before putting in fresh oil. The engine was still good when the car was sold three years later. I think we've both proved that an engine can run with pretty much any liquid in it, as long as it's not under load.

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Thanks man, no lights on dash that I've seen (will have to have a better look at the manual) dipstick is under the boot floor so will need security screws to access. All other fluids under the bonnet... I'm sure that the system is sound, but would still be happier if I can check for oil- call me old fashioned! Sorry for the OT
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Belated update - spoke to my next-door neighbour yesterday as he got out of his Twingo. He confirmed that there was no in-dash display of oil level. He then showed me the engine cover in the boot, which is held down by 6 triangular plastic fasteners. They were finger-tight on his car, but had a moulded Torx socket in the centre - looked about T40 size. So, if you can't move them no security tool needed, just the right size Torx bit.
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Thank you very much for taking time to write this and take a look at your neighbours car. I appreciate it. Saved myself getting a set of security screws too! Forum rules (taking care of even Renault drivers, awesome!!!!):slayer
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