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Spare wheel or not?

What are your thoughts about the lack of a spare on the A500? Personally I prefer to have a proper spare rather than the inflation/repair kit for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, it will only work with punctures rather than a blowout and secondly, I have heard that once you use the goo (for lack of a better word) it might be impossible to then get the puncture repaired, meaning a new tyre is required.

Even a POP 14" steelie would be a better option (or a skinny) although if the puncture was on the front you would need to put first swap a full size wheel/tyre from the rear and then put the spare on the rear.

Does anyone already use something similar or does anyone know what is the maximum size wheel/tyre combo that would fit in the spare wheel well?

Of course you would also need to add a jack to the equation and with the lower sills on the A500 plus being lower overall cos of the flat, would you be able to get a jack under the car even?

Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

Standard 16" Abarth wheel fits in the wheel well in boot. To fit you need to unclip a plastic panel at rear of boot which is easy & refit with wheel in place.

This is what Emma's dad Jon's Abarth has as he didn't like not having a spare.

I like having at least a space saver but on the Clio 182 models Renaultsport modified the shell by removing the wheel well & thenfitting a flat floor so they could then fit the twin back box exhaust system. Then provide two cans of tyre foam.

Even the integrale which again has a modified boot floor to accommodate the rear suspension, diff, prop & driveshafts manages to squeeze in a space saver spare.
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

And dont forget if you have had wheel damage, like in the recent pot hole plague, the goo probably wont inflate the tyre. Then you're stuffed. I dont like not having a spare either
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

On a previous 'performance' car that I had I used to have I would take out the spare wheel and carry a can of puncture repair as fallback. The car felt more response with it out and I reckon it was a little better on juice (it was a 323i). I did chicken out on long runs and put it back in ! Will a standard Fiat jack fit under an Abarth ? Would a space saver from a Marea be good enough for an Abarth - it looks a bit bigger than the one on a standard 500 ?
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

The problem with the jack is you can't use the standard jacking points - the side skirts sit too low so they interfere with the jack. You need to find alternative jacking points and have something suitable to jack it up with.

One tyre place I went to resorted to a block of wood on top of their regular jacks (attempting to jack up both sides at the same time) at which point I told them to forget it and drove off to find somewhere that had some respect for their customers' cars...
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The problem with the jack is you can't use the standard jacking points - the side skirts sit too low so they interfere with the jack. You need to find alternative jacking points and have something suitable to jack it up with.

One tyre place I went to resorted to a block of wood on top of their regular jacks (attempting to jack up both sides at the same time) at which point I told them to forget it and drove off to find somewhere that had some respect for their customers' cars...
I wonder what the AA (or RAC ?) would do if you had to get them out to do a flat ? Maybe the ideal 'thing' is to just have a spacesaver spare wheel and let them figure out how to 'lift' the car so the flat wheel can be changed without damaging the skirts. TBH I would be a little embrassed ringing them - it is something that my better half could get away with .
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Many trolley jacks wont go under the Abarth, the trick is to drive it up onto some pieces of wood raising the car sufficently to get the jack under
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Quote Originally Posted by multispoke View Post
I wonder what the AA (or RAC ?) would do if you had to get them out to do a flat ? Maybe the ideal 'thing' is to just have a spacesaver spare wheel and let them figure out how to 'lift' the car so the flat wheel can be changed without damaging the skirts. TBH I would be a little embrassed ringing them - it is something that my better half could get away with .
Some AA guys cant even handle the standard 500. If you search "crushed sills" in the 500 section.
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Quote Originally Posted by jimbro1000 View Post
The problem with the jack is you can't use the standard jacking points - the side skirts sit too low so they interfere with the jack. You need to find alternative jacking points and have something suitable to jack it up with.

One tyre place I went to resorted to a block of wood on top of their regular jacks (attempting to jack up both sides at the same time) at which point I told them to forget it and drove off to find somewhere that had some respect for their customers' cars...
People think I'm nutty but when I get tyres fitted I take the wheels off and take the wheels and tyres in the other car to get fitted. Really don't fancy some moron with a trolley jack and an air gun crushing the sills and breaking locking wheel bolts/keys and overtorqueing bolts.

It takes me a while to change a full set of wheels but who cares how long it takes when you know it's done properly.
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

I have to admit that I hate taking the car to a tyre shop and also prefer to take the wheels only and at least then I can clean the insides and under the wheel arches at the same time.

ps. Daniel, is it 98.6NM torque for the alloys? This figure sticks in my mind but I can't remember where I got the figure from and I always wind my torque wrench down after use so no help there, lol.
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

86nM so says RobW and that's what i used and they've not fallen off..... YET

BTW a 14" spare tyre would do just fine and fit over the rear brakes of the Abarth 15" would be even better as it would probably fit over the front brakes.
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Re: Spare wheel or not?

Apparently a 16" will fit quite snugly with a minor mod so that is what I will aiming for but will settle for a 15" if it appeared first. If I can get a set of 4 and get some winter tyres on them then I will use one of them as a spare and vice versa when it gets colder.
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Apparently a 16" will fit quite snugly with a minor mod so that is what I will aiming for but will settle for a 15" if it appeared first. If I can get a set of 4 and get some winter tyres on them then I will use one of them as a spare and vice versa when it gets colder.
Winter tyres in 195/45 r16 flavour are almost non-existant. 15" wheels would be a better bet IMHO
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Winter tyres are easily available for the Abarth 16" wheels. 8 pages of suggestions on the Abarth forum
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Winter tyres are easily available for the Abarth 16" wheels. 8 pages of suggestions on the Abarth forum
I read the thread on there. People were having to call Pirelli up directly. Plus you don't want a 195 winter tyre when it's properly snowy.
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