UPDATE: OK, my local Fiat service confirmed that it's an alternator issue. As they explained, there's a part inside the alternator which regulates the output curve or something, and it seems to be failing. You can't replace that part separately, only the whole alternator, and that's costly. They are looking into an option of repairing it, which would cost considerably less.
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Well progress then.
They are suspecting the alternators regulator pack. Sound fair/resonable to me.
I've checked for my 500X 140 Manual and the regulator is common to a number of Fiat vehicle alternators.
FB07 - ALTERNATORE VARIE
Availability: Product that can be ordered
Macro-family: M Minimum quantity per package: 0
Weight (grams): 90 Listed price(1): 98,36 EUR
Measurement unit: Num Price including taxes: 120,00 EUR
NOW PLEASE DO NOT use the above information as this was for my VIN/chassis number.
What is does show is that the regulator pack should be a available for your car but at a whopping £100 / 120 Euros. A brand new Fiat alternator is 400Euros
At these Fiat prices one is possibly better off with an exchange / replacement unit from the after market / OEM options. A quick web search shows there are exchange unit available for around £170 inc vat. All depends on if the regulator pack can be replaced in situe for a reduced labour time compared to alternator removal and replacement etc. AND that if a regulator pack does not solve the problem the garage will absorb the cost based on their diagnosis?
They are suspecting the alternators regulator pack. Sound fair/resonable to me.
I've checked for my 500X 140 Manual and the regulator is common to a number of Fiat vehicle alternators.
FB07 - ALTERNATORE VARIE
Availability: Product that can be ordered
Macro-family: M Minimum quantity per package: 0
Weight (grams): 90 Listed price(1): 98,36 EUR
Measurement unit: Num Price including taxes: 120,00 EUR
NOW PLEASE DO NOT use the above information as this was for my VIN/chassis number.
What is does show is that the regulator pack should be a available for your car but at a whopping £100 / 120 Euros. A brand new Fiat alternator is 400Euros
At these Fiat prices one is possibly better off with an exchange / replacement unit from the after market / OEM options. A quick web search shows there are exchange unit available for around £170 inc vat. All depends on if the regulator pack can be replaced in situe for a reduced labour time compared to alternator removal and replacement etc. AND that if a regulator pack does not solve the problem the garage will absorb the cost based on their diagnosis?
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They said that the repair would cost roughly 100 EUR, but they are not doing this kind of work themselves, they need to send the car to a different shop, and those guys need to examine the part first to see what exactly is going on with the regulator.
They also said that the regulator is NOT available for purchase separately, only the whole alternator. They quoted around 500 EUR for the original part. There seem to be cheaper alternatives on the Web, but I don't want to gamble with that. Also, there's an option to get an used alternator from the local car scavengers, and I'm currently looking into that.
Repair at around 100 Euros sounds reasonable and yes a specialist electrical shop is appropriate if advised.
On the availability of the regulator separately then I have to beg to differ as Fiat list this as an avialable service part, but not cheap as previously mentioned.
It could be that you garage has access to to the Fiat ePER/keyPER parts/online system but do not know how to drill down. On initial/first observation of presented data then only the alternator appears to be available. However there is a little symbol to the right that when clicked will give a breakdown list of available separate components parts. This is how I found the regulator component and part number.
That could be the case, actually. Could you please give me a screenshot of this breakdown list, so that I can show it to my service manager?
Alternator P/N: is in top left corner.
You parts/service manager can just ePER search for the regulator part number 77365838 and he should end up with the same information/image.
NOTE! This is for my 500X Cross Plus 1.4 MultiAir II 2015 vehicle. Your guy should use your chassis number to drill down. Hint. When he/she locates the GENERATOR (Alternator) in the side menu and follows the generator selection and not the battery, then only the generator will be shown. However on the identification/part number line at the end of the line there is a little Square icon with a little diagonal arrow pointing down to the bottom right corner. This is what you click on the get the breakdown of component parts.
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My chassis number won't help him, because the car is for the US market and the VIN is not searchable in the European databases. Anyway, thanks for the help, much appreciated!
UPDATE: I heard back from my service manager on this. As it turns out, he was searching Mopar's American database, because the US chassis numbers don't show up in ePER. Probably it's the same catalogue I use for the reference, and it indeed doesn't allow any alternator parts to be ordered separately, only the whole alternator at the whooping cost of $572.00.
Now the problem is that my alternator seems to be specific for the 2.4 L petrol engine, and while it can be interchanged with a whole range of FCA's US-based vehicles with the same engine, I fear that the European engines most likely use different alternators. Unfortunately, part numbers don't really help here, because the American and European parts use different numbering systems.
In short, it's a grey area. We could order a voltage regulator for, say, the 2.0 L European petrol engine and hope it fits, but it's a gamble, really. Still, I asked my guy to look into those options and I'll be waiting to hear from him on that.
EDIT: I just realized the 2.0 L is a diesel engine, not petrol. Scratch that.
Now the problem is that my alternator seems to be specific for the 2.4 L petrol engine, and while it can be interchanged with a whole range of FCA's US-based vehicles with the same engine, I fear that the European engines most likely use different alternators. Unfortunately, part numbers don't really help here, because the American and European parts use different numbering systems.
In short, it's a grey area. We could order a voltage regulator for, say, the 2.0 L European petrol engine and hope it fits, but it's a gamble, really. Still, I asked my guy to look into those options and I'll be waiting to hear from him on that.
EDIT: I just realized the 2.0 L is a diesel engine, not petrol. Scratch that.
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Doubt anything from the EU engine range will fit
Fiat don't have anything above 1.6 l now other then the diesels fitted to the commercial range
And the 2.4 over there isn't a fiat engine's it probably a jeep or Chrysler engine
Yep, it's a Chrysler engine used in many of their Jeeps.
FYI I've looked up the 2.4L Tigershark Engine on the EU ePER system and *an* alternator used is:
K56029624AB ALTERNATOR
Famiglia: FB17 - COMPLETE ALTERNATOR
Availability: Product that can be ordered
Macro-family: M Minimum quantity per package: 0
Weight (grams): 7135 Listed price(1): 433,86 EUR
Measurement unit: Num Price including taxes: 529,31 EUR
AND YES ONLY THE ALTERNATOR CAN BE ORDERED - NO OTHER COMPONENTS
So it looks like your options are now limited. I feel your pain!
K56029624AB ALTERNATOR
Famiglia: FB17 - COMPLETE ALTERNATOR
Availability: Product that can be ordered
Macro-family: M Minimum quantity per package: 0
Weight (grams): 7135 Listed price(1): 433,86 EUR
Measurement unit: Num Price including taxes: 529,31 EUR
AND YES ONLY THE ALTERNATOR CAN BE ORDERED - NO OTHER COMPONENTS
So it looks like your options are now limited. I feel your pain!
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There's always an option to scavenge for the part. We get quite a lot of totaled US 500Xs here in Lithuania. Also, I could ask for the part to be shipped from Georgia (the country) where I'm originally from. The 500Xs are becoming popular there and resellers are buying them regularly from the US, including totaled cars for the parts. Georgian option is a lot cheaper, too. When I asked for the price, one scavenger quoted me 130 GEL for the whole alternator, which is roughly 40 EUR.
Crap, it turns out I got the wrong currency. The quote was in USD, not GEL. Still worth thinking about it, though.
I was puzzled because you mentioned USA chassis numbers, but you say you are in Lithuania.
Not to worry. I learnt something in that on the ePER system (EU) for 500X 2.4 Tigershark the part numbers are completely different to those of traditional EU numbering.
An import note I have to stress. I often research parts and part numbers and post potentially informative information BUT I always qualify that without a full VIN number which gives the definitive vehicle identification AND production data and special feature variations, etc. then any web/forum part numbers etc. are UNQUALIFIED and just potential candidates.
There is an interesting underlying production history/future to bear in mind.
Back in the 50s/60s/70s/80s the manufacturing plants just pushed out vehicles on an X thousand units per month. "Just In Time" production and parts delivery did not really exist. The (say) alternator parts bin would be dumped with 100s/1000s of units for a much longer delayed usage on the production line.
Today's parts/production systems probably work just a week or even a day ahead. This means that design and quality issues get sorted far more quickly that they have ever done before. Now, today, parts and part numbers can be obsolescent withing a very short period.
Geo : Lith 
I had a friend who drove an older Opel from Geneva.Ch back to Georgia one Christmas.. as it treble the value of the car..
I had a friend who drove an older Opel from Geneva.Ch back to Georgia one Christmas.. as it treble the value of the car..
Well yes, I'm in Lithuania, but the car is from the US.
Reselling used American cars is a big business in many former Soviet republics like Lithuania and Georgia. Besides the price factor, there's a widespread notion that the US versions have better specs, less restrictions, etc.