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3.5 stars.... must be bloody brilliant! 
But still only a DSG auto' box for the 1.3 motor. I might be olde fashioned but a 1.0 ltr engine in a fairly large car seems too small.. I dunno.
Ralf S.
But still only a DSG auto' box for the 1.3 motor. I might be olde fashioned but a 1.0 ltr engine in a fairly large car seems too small.. I dunno.
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I wouldn't mind a DSG since most of my driving is in the town. I think driving with automatic gearbox is quite nice.3.5 stars.... must be bloody brilliant!
But still only a DSG auto' box for the 1.3 motor. I might be olde fashioned but a 1.0 ltr engine in a fairly large car seems too small.. I dunno.
Ralf S.
3.5 stars.... must be bloody brilliant!
But still only a DSG auto' box for the 1.3 motor. I might be olde fashioned but a 1.0 ltr engine in a fairly large car seems too small.. I dunno.
Ralf S.
I agree Ralf, I too am old school, and can't help but think that this engine is likely to go bang at some stage. Surely it must be highly stressed?
The the way all petrol engines are these day's
That being said I've not heard of any issues on here with them yeah like Ford's ecoboom engines that regularly have the cooling system fail destroying the engines
Indeed, but how old is the 1.0 variant? It's a new one on me. More than 100bhp per litre is a tremendous output, similar to F1 engines of yesteryear, and they still went bang.
The 1.0 litre is the Firefly engine, which means three cylinders (cool! ) and a turbo, so the power output seems "not bad" in that regard. I'm just thinking about the torque and how much it might need to be worked to get decent speed out of it.
The motor will be reliable enough for sure - my money is on the turbo failing more than anything else, just because it's going to be working quite hard, I presume - but 100k should be possible without too many new parts.
Cooling-wise it'll be okay since the X had a 2.0ltr MJet diesel option at launch, which made c.170bhp so there's room for a radiator the size of Jupiter in there. The Firefly probably has a smaller radiator than the MJet and a blanking plate over the rest of the aperture.
I think Ford's problem was with hoses coming adrift rather than not enough cooling capacity.. but if the Firefly does end up running too hot, there's room for a retrofit MJet radiatore. That'll be big enough to cool the sun, never mind a 1.0ltr triple.
I did have a hire of a Skoda 1.2 Rapid a while ago.. and that was the 105bhp (turbo). It went really well with just me on board. It felt like an old-style 1.6 engine, at least until around 80mph... but when loaded it suffered a bit more drop-off of performance, and the Rapid is lighter than a 500X to begin with.
It might be worth a test-drive though.. modern stuff quite often surprises with how good it turns out to be.
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) and a turbo, so the power output seems "not bad" in that regard. I'm just thinking about the torque and how much it might need to be worked to get decent speed out of it. The motor will be reliable enough for sure - my money is on the turbo failing more than anything else, just because it's going to be working quite hard, I presume - but 100k should be possible without too many new parts.
Cooling-wise it'll be okay since the X had a 2.0ltr MJet diesel option at launch, which made c.170bhp so there's room for a radiator the size of Jupiter in there. The Firefly probably has a smaller radiator than the MJet and a blanking plate over the rest of the aperture.
I think Ford's problem was with hoses coming adrift rather than not enough cooling capacity.. but if the Firefly does end up running too hot, there's room for a retrofit MJet radiatore. That'll be big enough to cool the sun, never mind a 1.0ltr triple.
I did have a hire of a Skoda 1.2 Rapid a while ago.. and that was the 105bhp (turbo). It went really well with just me on board. It felt like an old-style 1.6 engine, at least until around 80mph... but when loaded it suffered a bit more drop-off of performance, and the Rapid is lighter than a 500X to begin with.
It might be worth a test-drive though.. modern stuff quite often surprises with how good it turns out to be.
Ralf S.
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I drove a 1.0 turbo Astra a few years ago, and that went really well. That was 108 bhp, not sure what the Fiat is, but these turbos deliver lots of torque to give them their strong performance.
I don't think 100bhp/litre is anything to worry about these days. My 500 Twinair 85 did 46000 trouble free miles.
Yes, the Ford Ecoboost issue was the return cooling pipe from the turbo failing and dumping the coolant. Fixed now apparently.
I don't think 100bhp/litre is anything to worry about these days. My 500 Twinair 85 did 46000 trouble free miles.
Yes, the Ford Ecoboost issue was the return cooling pipe from the turbo failing and dumping the coolant. Fixed now apparently.
Well I've not checked Ihe prices of any Fiat or competition since I bought my 500X Cross Plus 140 in 2015 for £17000.
£17K to 22K in 4 years for essentially the same car is one hell of an increase.
Maybe Fiat wan't out of the larger than 500, Panda markets. If they stop models by choice people will complain. However price yourself out of a market segment will draw less complaints
Well I've not checked Ihe prices of any Fiat or competition since I bought my 500X Cross Plus 140 in 2015 for £17000.
£17K to 22K in 4 years for essentially the same car is one hell of an increase.
Maybe Fiat wan't out of the larger than 500, Panda markets. If they stop models by choice people will complain. However price yourself out of a market segment will draw less complaints
That's probably about the same sort of price as the competition
For example the base Audi Q7 same sort of thing crossover type vehicle is £21.8k and the base model and trim spec
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Well Audi / Mercedes etc. are what Joe public would call "Top Brand" cars so paying the same for a Fiat "would not compute".
The base 500x 18.5k a fair bit cheeper the the moddel listed
VW tcross the cheeper of these type thing I can see is £17k for base model
That being said the 500x has never been a cheep car itsallways been a upmarket fiat
Also remember the listed price will be the list price for the car in reality many will be sold for less then that
