General Failed 1st Mot!

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Put car in for rear seat recall and an Mot. Bloody thing failed on track rod end cover split. Four weeks before had front pads and discs replaced and health check all ok. Three weeks prior to that had major service again with health check all ok. You telling me the split happens in the last three weeks? The car has one week before it is 3 years old. Dealer agreed that it would be fixed under warranty. Booked in on Wednesday .....
 
Put car in for rear seat recall and an Mot. Bloody thing failed on track rod end cover split. Four weeks before had front pads and discs replaced and health check all ok. Three weeks prior to that had major service again with health check all ok. You telling me the split happens in the last three weeks? The car has one week before it is 3 years old. Dealer agreed that it would be fixed under warranty. Booked in on Wednesday .....

Split has to occur sometime. One moment it is not there, next it is. So, yes, quite possible. Could have been damaged by road debris. Might have occurred on way to the check!

Many years ago, put my Marina in for an MOT, failed on play in the steering rack ends. They have small springs that break, can be replaced with ones from a Mini suspension ball joint. Circumstances dictated that retest was three weeks later. Failed for both rear wheel cylinders seized. They were fine on the previous test.
The joys of owning a car.
 
[emoji1] Im always suspicious of garages..[emoji23]

There is some merit in this.

I am not for one moment suggesting the poster's garage is "playing games" but some do and manufacturers are also warey.

I recall a discussion with a technician for a particular franchise saying that they had battery failures and the new batteries also failed as soon as they came off the truck or some short time later. This built a level of questions and/or distrust with the manufacturer thinking the authorised dealer was playing a warranty game where they get all the labour costs for replacing an item.

There is no doubt that warranty fraud claims happen. I know for fact that Fiat Zone Managers used to smash holes in the sides of engine blocks so engines replaced under warranty could not be "re-distributed" for extra revanue.

If you are out of warranty then you have the legal right to have all replaced parts, for which you have paid, to be returned to you. No doubt some bad boys will return a part that was not yours unless you are present at removal or have invisibly marked the part for yourself.

In warranty then you have no rights as you are a 3rd, if not 4th party, in the loop. However IMHO it is always a good practice to approach/treat all warranty service actions as if you had paid for these yourself out of warranty.

Please NOTE! We are Not neccessarily trying to trip up a garage/dealer up but as a car lover driver and road user it behoves you to try and understand all the potential *killer* issues one could encounter in one's vehicle.
 
There is some merit in this.



I am not for one moment suggesting the poster's garage is "playing games" but some do and manufacturers are also warey.



I recall a discussion with a technician for a particular franchise saying that they had battery failures and the new batteries also failed as soon as they came off the truck or some short time later. This built a level of questions and/or distrust with the manufacturer thinking the authorised dealer was playing a warranty game where they get all the labour costs for replacing an item.



There is no doubt that warranty fraud claims happen. I know for fact that Fiat Zone Managers used to smash holes in the sides of engine blocks so engines replaced under warranty could not be "re-distributed" for extra revanue.



If you are out of warranty then you have the legal right to have all replaced parts, for which you have paid, to be returned to you. No doubt some bad boys will return a part that was not yours unless you are present at removal or have invisibly marked the part for yourself.



In warranty then you have no rights as you are a 3rd, if not 4th party, in the loop. However IMHO it is always a good practice to approach/treat all warranty service actions as if you had paid for these yourself out of warranty.



Please NOTE! We are Not neccessarily trying to trip up a garage/dealer up but as a car lover driver and road user it behoves you to try and understand all the potential *killer* issues one could encounter in one's vehicle.



I have to say that I once had an out-of warranty claim with a car of French manufacture. The Track Rod and Track Rod End on one side were of different sizes. Very tricky to screw them together. The dealer handed me both parts without even being asked and made it quite clear what I should do about it.
 
Hope I have better luck with my first MoT tomorrow morning! Having it done at a local MoT centre that I've used before.
 
Hope I have better luck with my first MoT tomorrow morning! Having it done at a local MoT centre that I've used before.



Good luck.... I’ve had 13 year old BMW’s sail through mot but didn’t expect a 3 yr full serviced (fiat prices as well)to fail.
 
Mine sailed through a month or so ago. I was still in warranty and could have used my Fiat dealer but I'm a long established MOT testing customer at my local council depot who also allow me, suitable safety equiped (boiler suit, safety glasses, toe tectors, etc.) to personally examine my vehicles whilst they are still up on the ramps. For me this level of service is crucial and also builds that level of trust that really means something. If they say something is "of note" (be it of general advise, advisory or fail) then they show you, demonstrate to you, etc. as to why they say what they say. They also every year tell me what is new for this years testing, etc. etc.

Also being a pure testing station only they are not looking for work. Just looking for unsafe cars and advising customers on how to have safe cars etc.

When I was doing motor sport / track days / sprinting then at my request the testers would be hyper critical loooking well beyond the base MOT standards.

I also appreciate that many vehicles owners just want to drive a safe vehicle and beyond that have no interest in anything else.
 
[emoji1] Im always suspicious of garages..[emoji23]

Many garages are trying to do a good job, with varying degrees of success. Smaller garages may find it more difficult to get access to latest diagnostic or repair procedures, and as cars are generally much more reliable than they were 20 years ago, each garage sees fewer failures on any particular model.

I live in a small town, where so many people all went to school together, many are related, etc., so any business that gives poor service will fail fairly quickly. Within a few hundred yards of me I have two independent garages that I trust. They have many customers that travel here from the larger towns around because of the service given. Garages in larger areas are less affected by mistakes.
 
Well mine just passed, thank goodness, no advisories. So did the 500x that preceded mine - quite a coincidence given that it's an independent MoT/Service outfit.

On another thread, s130 reported a Lambda reading of 1.029. Mine was smack in the middle of the range at 1.00. All I can offer is that I run my car (1.4 MA petrol) exclusively on Shell V-Power Nitro Plus. No idea if that makes a difference, but it's supposed to keep everything clean.
 
On another thread, s130 reported a Lambda reading of 1.029. Mine was smack in the middle of the range at 1.00.

Well I later followed up on my 1.029 and short of testing again we came to the conclusion my car had been stopped for 15+ minutes and then went straight for the emmissions test.

My tester does emissions 1st. If it passes then on to the rest of the MOT. If it fails then depending on why it fails determins what happens next. Often the traditional runs around the block or blast down the motorway is all that is required to get everything up to temperature and working correctly, pass the emmissions and then onto the rest of the test.

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Would also add I checked (post MOT) with MES and the Lambda values and signals were spot on 1.00. This then led to the discussion that they measure at final exhaust output not at exhaust port/cat/lambda sensor. This means that any air leaks or other issue in the full length of the exhaust system will result in a different lambda value as measure at exhuast exit.

My mistake was arriving early for the MOT and not leaving the car running.
 
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Yeah, mine was wheeled in within a couple of minutes of me arriving. Not sure when the gas tests were done, but the sheet stated "cooling fan running" so it must have been properly warm. I'm sure you've got nothing to worry about.
 
I prefer the French system. Garages that do 'MOTs' can't do repair work and vice versa.

Absolutely right,never go to a mot garage that do repairs ,where I go they only do mot s so they have nothing to gain from failing a car and don't get sucked in with the half price mot offer which always ends up with a load of work that doesn't really need doing anyway .
 
Well it’s just passed and it was all covered under warranty. Plus didn’t charge for the retest. Hopefully no more issues for the next 12 months[emoji106]
 
Halfrauds is a definite no-no for MOT tests. As is Kwik and sh... That's a lot to be said for a trustworthy, competent inde. Unfortunately they are a rare breed.
 
To be fair.. I went for a half-price Halfords MOT last year since I couldn't get booked in with my local place in time... so I was expecting a list of minor defects that they could fix for me... :)

But the beast passed without any advisories, as it should have.

I'm not sure the tester didn't half-inch about a tenner in coins I keep for car-parks though... :(


Ralf S.
 
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