Technical ESC ON PopStar

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Technical ESC ON PopStar

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Does anyone know if the ESC System is built in or can you disable it. Thanks
 
On the 500X Cross Plus the ESC system can not be turned off.

What I have noticed though is that in Sports Mode I've not been able to get the system to kick in. I'm tolled by Fiat Technical the ESC is no in all modes but the sensitivity/operation thresholds are different and in Sport Mode things have to be very wayward before the system kicks in.

I'll indeed say "very wayward" indeed. I've done over 6000 miles of motor sport (not any more) and even on deserted public roads I can not safely get the system to kick in. If I ever get onto a race track in my 500X in the future, or a skid pan then that will be a different ball game but on public roads the risk is too high in Sport Mode. In Normal and Traction/Wet modes I can safely get the system to kick in.

I addition in diagnostic kit (MES or Fiat Wii Tech Plus) there is not option to turn ESC off.
 
This makes sense, so basically to limit the effect put it in Race Mode? and the ESC is built in you can't disable it in any of the modes?
 
Because if it's any good it will probably slow you down.

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I have a 2ltr Cross bought 4 months ago, dealer told me that the 4x4 ESC system does not activate in Sport Mode, it only works in Auto Mode and Traction Mode.

So if you want to turn it off, then drive in Sport mode only, although your fuel consumption will be a lot more, but your choice..
 
Thanks Make sense, I prefer a proper answer as opposed to some stupid gif
 
When I queried the ESC with Fiat Technical I had already checked the ESC/ASR/ESP status with MES (diagnostic kit) and in all modes it was ON. I was also advised that if it were off then the ESC Off warning light on the dash would be illuminated.

On the 4X4 does the ESC Off light turn ON when in Sports Mode?

I think in reality though for normal performance road driving ESC is effectively off unless one is seriously out of control and by then it could be "too little too late" given our narrow lane widths.
 
On the 4X4 does the ESC Off light turn ON when in Sports Mode?

Just so that we are all talking the same language as I may be at cross hairs on this..

What I am referring to as being switched off in Sport mode is the All Wheel Drive function and you only get 2 wheel drive, the AWD function is automatic in the Auto and Traction modes.

If this is the ESC then we are talking the same language.
 
Just so that we are all talking the same language as I may be at cross hairs on this..

What I am referring to as being switched off in Sport mode is the All Wheel Drive function and you only get 2 wheel drive, the AWD function is automatic in the Auto and Traction modes.

If this is the ESC then we are talking the same language.

No ESC is a completely different item.

In "Electronic Stability Control" (same as similar to ESP Electronic Stability Program) then the ABS system uses a mixture of steering angle, yaw angle, individual wheel rotational speed, etc. to determine if the vehicle is not following the expected trajectory as requested by the driver and within safe expected parameters. If the "conditions" are not met the ESC will tell the ABS system to modulate brake the necessary wheel or wheels and also tell the engine ECU to cut power.

In layman's terms the car is treated like a 4 tracked tank (2 front, 2 rear) and like a 2 track tank is steered/directed by stopping one track ESC does the same but has 4 tracks to play with to help steer the car out of trouble.
 
ESC Electronic stability control. Also known as ESP - Electronic Stability Program.
Motion sensors detect if the car is moving in a different direction than requested, comparing where it is going against steering input. As the car direction varies by too much, individual brakes are operated to bring it into line. Engine power can also be reduced.
Very clever, very effective.
A video from Bosch, worth watching.

This one takes a couple of minutes to get there, but worth sticking with.

I recently had the opportunity to try a car (on an airfield) with special covers on the tyres, giving almost no grip. With ESC operating, it was a bit scruffy, but drivable. With ESC off, the car was uncontrollable, even at walking pace.
 
ESC Electronic stability control. Also known as ESP - Electronic Stability Program.
Motion sensors detect if the car is moving in a different direction than requested, comparing where it is going against steering input. As the car direction varies by too much, individual brakes are operated to bring it into line. Engine power can also be reduced.
Very clever, very effective.
A video from Bosch, worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOwkwrM10hk
This one takes a couple of minutes to get there, but worth sticking with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3m24bjkfg0

I recently had the opportunity to try a car (on an airfield) with special covers on the tyres, giving almost no grip. With ESC operating, it was a bit scruffy, but drivable. With ESC off, the car was uncontrollable, even at walking pace.
Spot on; unless you're a pro driver on a track or closed road the only thing ESC does is make you safer, keep you in control and by default quicker... you're deluded if you think otherwise... even in the pro scenario ESC and its equivalent actually makes drivers faster and keeps them in control for longer if deployed, hence limitations to how much electronics moto GP bikes, F1 cars, Touring Cars etc. are allowed to use... no idea why you'd want to turn it off.

In fact on all but the most extreme hyper cars the system kicks back in once things get a bit lairy or you touch the brakes, even if the little light says "off"... do you really think the manufacturers want some Muppet binning their car and then trying to sue them because they crashed after the car was out of control due to essential safety systems being disabled?
 
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Exactly my point....why would anyone want it switched off? Sounds like they have bought the wrong car......[emoji23]
 
IMG_2963.JPG Can't see any 500x's featured in here?....they are proper drivers I think?
 
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Indeed.

Unless you are motor sport racing, 110% on top of driving, car dynamics, conditions etc. then turning ASC/ESP/save your arse is a potentially dumb option.

I'll qualify the above with an "in the zone" operational mode. No further comment as it is so obvious ..................

What REALLY CONCERNS ME is that we are asking these questions and are not getting decent manufacturer's information on how our cars systems function. What is on, what is off, when it is on, when it is off. Our whole driving domain is being dumbed down by manufacturers with minimal end user information etc. which is we are all asking these questions. I would say/venture that for 90% PLUS of UK/other vehicle drivers they do not know about ASR/ESC/ESP/..... Many possibly don't know about Air Bags and definitely "seat belt pre-tensioners".

Over the coming years we are all going to be challenged by the progress/technology of newer vehicles.

Replace ESC/ESP/ASR/etc with will the XYZ get us from A to B ......

























If the current 'profile' continues then future cars, as we approach compulsory autonomous self drive vehicles, none of the stuff we are discussing will be relevant again.
 
ABS has been mandatory on new cars since 2004.
ESP (by whatever name) has been mandatory since either last year, or the year before, can't remember exactly which.
Few cars have an option to switch ESP off. Those that do really only delay its operation, as it is never fully off, but will come on very late when things get silly.

Part of the electronic control is antiskid, not for braking, but for when a driving wheel loses grip. This is also mandatory, for a few years now and most cars have no 'off' option. Many can reduce its effect, which can be useful on snow or ice, where when on, the system can reduce power so much there is not enough to move the car. Only time when 'off' might be a good idea.

To really get ABS chattering, try an 'emergency stop' from about 20mph on snow. Sounds like a machine gun.
 
it was only a question proper drivers will understand why cheers
Oh dear, I know this is click bait territory... but honestly... "proper drivers"?

Proper drivers are ones that use their vehicles as safely and in as socially responsible manner as they can... it's a car... for getting you from a to b... it won't make your willy bigger, it won't turn you in to John Wick or Lewis Hamilton... seriously it's a 500x...

If you're that bothered about speed and lack of electronics get a pre 2005 superbike.
 
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