Technical Is my motor euro5 or euro6

[MahmutGirginer]

Hi All from İstanbul/Turkey,
I'm a 2013 Fiat 500L 0.9 TiwnAir 105 hp Rockstar with Trekking user. My Car is second hand and i bought it on 14 SEP 2020. It was 93k km when i bought it now 100k.
My engine number is 199B60000161355 and i am wondering that my motor is euro5 or 6.

I've really big problem with fiat turkey. Because i believe that the service used wrong oil for my car. They used OPAR OLIO S2 5W-40 but user guide book says GS1 and 0W-30 for 0.9 TwinAir engine
Fiat Turkey told me that your car is euro5 because the year of manufacture before 2015 is euro5 and used oil is correct for euro5 engines.

But i think my car is euro6. So, how can i verify it.

 

[AndyRKett]

If your car is a 2013 model then it is Euro 5.

Euro 6 became standard in September 2015 but was first introduced in 2014 therefore anything older its a euro5 model.

You don’t need any more verification your car is too old to be euro 6

 

[varesecrazy]

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/324354-selenia-k-castrol-edge-2.html

A good early model twinair debate..

(Why did your FIAT Turkiye dealer not use Selenia oil..?)

Charlie

 

[richie17]

I have the 2013 500L brochure and it says: "All the Fiat 500L petrol engines are Euro 6 compliant". So that's both the 1.4 FIRE and 105 Twinair. I remember being impressed by this at the time.

 

[MahmutGirginer]

If your car is a 2013 model then it is Euro 5.

Euro 6 became standard in September 2015 but was first introduced in 2014 therefore anything older its a euro5 model.

You don’t need any more verification your car is too old to be euro 6

Your answer is nearly the same with service. I'm new here and can't send links cuz of form rules until send 5 message but i have an Article that says;

The 105 HP of the 0.9 TwinAir are different and ideal for customers who are concerned about reducing fuel consumption and emissions particularly in cities. In brief, this “aware and responsible” engine is particularly appreciated in countries where the ownership and use of high-emission cars are severely restricted and highly taxed. It is no wonder that emissions are so low that the engine complies with the European standards of 2020 already today.

 

[MahmutGirginer]

A good early model twinair debate..

(Why did your FIAT Turkiye dealer not use Selenia oil..?)

Charlie[/QUOTE]

I really do not have an idea why they are not using Selenia oils. In Turkey, services make a deal with the oil producers to decrease costs. Services say to oil producers that "i will use your products for all Fiat vehicles. So, i will buy a very big amounts of oils from you and you will decrease the costs"...
Produces earn and Services earn . It means WIN-WIN.

For example VW group services use Castrol in Turkey.

Maybe Fiat made a deal with Opar in Turkey like explained above.

 

[MahmutGirginer]

I have the 2013 500L brochure and it says: "All the Fiat 500L petrol engines are Euro 6 compliant". So that's both the 1.4 FIRE and 105 Twinair. I remember being impressed by this at the time.

0.9 TwinAir 80 HP is Euro V but 105 HP ones are Euro VI.. I wrote Fiat Italy for this issue and waiting their answer.

 

[varesecrazy]

Why did your FIAT Turkiye dealer not use Selenia oil..?

Charlie

I really do not have an idea why they are not using Selenia oils.

For example VW group services use Castrol in Turkey.

Maybe Fiat made a deal with Opar in Turkey like explained above.[/QUOTE]

To be honest A FIAT dealer our 4 cylinder car went to Billed me for Castrol Oil..
(and another fluid they didnt even use!)

But knowing how critical the fuelling system is with regard to oil quality

I then moved to Italian car specialists who only use Selenia.


It will be interesting to hear what FIAT Italy tell you about your 105

 

[MahmutGirginer]

But knowing how critical the fuelling system is with regard to oil quality

I then moved to Italian car specialists who only use Selenia.


We understand how important the quality of the oil used if we read the places I highlighted in the user book picture.

in addition, For 105 hp twinair engines, the viscosity of the oil is also very important. Because the valve tappets in the engine work according to the oil pressure and oil with a lower or higher viscosity than the desired value causes the valve tappets to operate prematurely or later. The viscosity of the oil is directly related to the oil pressure.

When I tell the service what I wrote above about oil, the answer they gave me is; It is okay to use 5W-40 and S2 spec oil for your car.:bang:

 

[MahmutGirginer]

It will be interesting to hear what FIAT Italy tell you about your 105 [/QUOTE]

If fiat italy says " your car is Euro 6 " then this will be the beginning of the end for fiat turkey. :slayer:

The document that i have uploaded is signed by the general manager of the Fiat Turkey.

Document says;

00161355 engine numbered car is E5 and it is normal to use S2 oil for E5 cars.
GS1 oil is used for our vehicles with E6 engine.

As a result,
i have all service records and the records say that they used S2 5W-40 oil.
I will take all my rights arising from wrong care through the court if my engine is E6.

Because they used wrong spec and wrong viscosity.

 

[MahmutGirginer]

If your car is a 2013 model then it is Euro 5.

Euro 6 became standard in September 2015 but was first introduced in 2014 therefore anything older its a euro5 model.

You don’t need any more verification your car is too old to be euro 6

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/fiat-500l-two-new-engines-to-grow-even-more/

article in the link above was written on Feb/2013

 

[chris3234]

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/fiat-500l-two-new-engines-to-grow-even-more/

article in the link above was written on Feb/2013

That link has nothing to do with what emissions version the varus built to




And while the engine may pass euro 6 standards it was not built and tested to those standards so your car predates the euro 6 requirements so allmost certainly not a euro 6 engine

I'm not sure what your so fixed to trying to proof it's a euro 6 engine?

 

[MahmutGirginer]

And while the engine may pass euro 6 standards it was not built and tested to those standards so your car predates the euro 6 requirements so allmost certainly not a euro 6 engine

Maybe you are right. I just not trust the fiat turkey so, i am try to verify clearly that its euro 5 or 6. I need to hear this from an official and valid source.

Even if the engine of my vehicle is not euro 6, the viscosity of the oil used is very different from the one written in the user manual.

What do you think about 5W-40 against 0W-30 for 0.9 TwinAir 105 HP 500L ?

 

[chris3234]

Maybe you are right. I just not trust the fiat turkey so, i am try to verify clearly that its euro 5 or 6. I need to hear this from an official and valid source.

Even if the engine of my vehicle is not euro 6, the viscosity of the oil used is very different from the one written in the user manual.

What do you think about 5W-40 against 0W-30 for 0.9 TwinAir 105 HP 500L ?

Put you vin number into this
It should give you what version your engines is (I think it works on 2014 cars not 100% however



Just be aware you get a lot of spam.poups from the website

https://www.pekidi.com/navi?FORCED=TRUE&COUNTRY=1&LANGUAGE=3&GUI_LANG=3&SAVE_PARAM=LANGUAGE

 

[MahmutGirginer]

Put you vin number into this
It should give you what version your engines is (I think it works on 2014 cars not 100% however

Highlighted areas say Euro6.. Is it true ?

 

[varesecrazy]

I'm not sure what your so fixed to trying to proof it's a euro 6 engine?

If they have local equivalents to ULEZ

Then I can imagine how big a deal it could be..

Innacurate technical specs are not that rare.. some are typo's others are harder to explain ( remember the 90bhp twinairs..)

 

[AndyRKett]

Looking at the petrol engine euro5 v euro6 requirements they are basically the same.

This means that they can make claims back in 2013 that it “already meets newer standards” because the numbers for euro5 are within euro6 specs

This however does not in any way mean that the engine is “euro6” the car was built at a time that no cars where “euro6” certified

 

[MahmutGirginer]

I want you to focus main problem. The problem is that;

User guide says "Use GS1 specs 0W-30 for 0.9 TwinAir 105 HP"
I saw in service records "S2 specs 5W-40 for 1.4 16V Atmospheric" used for my car.

GS1 specs is for turbo engine, S2 is not.

Service told me "it's okay to use S2 specs for E5 engines" but the main problem is wrong viscosity and wrong specs.
In addition, this is a fatal error if my engine is not E5

 

[MahmutGirginer]

It was finally decided that the engine of my car was euro 6. My lawyer requested an appointment with fiat turkey to talk about this issue.

Three possible results;

1- They will replace my car with a new one
2- They will replace the engine with a new one
3- They will pay compensation for wrong service care

 

[jackwhoo]

They just didn't use the correct spec oil when servicing your car.

Nothing in your attachements in writing from fiat saying it is ok to use the oil that was used , the garage could just be making that up.

Has your engine suffered any damage due to the incorrect oil?