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I know fiat like to keep banging on about what a rip roaring success the 500L has been but after its first quater sales here in the uk unofficial figures suggest only about 700 have been sold. these are not terrible figures about the same performance as the multipla had way back when.

however with Fiat set on taking a chunk of the mini market in the same period Mini sold nearly 3000 countrymans.

its certainly not the Fiat 500 with its 100,000 in 5 years

I don't suspect it will suddenly disappear from forecourts but I do think the marketing budget will disappear and it will become a kin to the multipla selling in sufficient numbers to keep fiats interest for a few year

What i think will be make or break for the 500L is its year end sales figures in the USA which is the market that fiat really want but have struggled so far to master
 
Not a massive number, but then it's probably a fair bit more than most Fiats bigger than a Punto have managed in the UK. Think the Croma only managed 800 in the 18 months/2 years it was on sale for :eek:

It is quite a lot of money for a Fiat. I think it's worth nearly what they're asking but you can understand people being cautious when Fiats are traditionally the cheap runabouts. Even the standard 500 isn't outrageously pricey in the context of the whole market so I dare say parting with upwards of £15k on a Fiat does make a few people un-easy. Its better that Fiat stick to moderate numbers & minimise discounts rather than try & flood the market with discounted cars & devalue the whole 500 brand in the process - it'll naturally pick up buyers from existing Fiat owners like other 500 variants & the Multipla or maybe Doblo/Qubo so they should hold firm.

The good news is that if they've sold about 700, only around 150 are on autotrader, which works out at about one car per UK dealer, so the rest are 'owned'. There's only 450 Countrymans on autotrader but living round Oxford the amount I see that are BMW Group company cars is pretty high, so I would imagine some of the Mini's higher sales are artificially inflated and/or heavily subsidised through a workers discount scheme for the Plants here.
 
Not bad really for a new, expensive, Fiat with unusual looks.

I think the market will get more interesting when the refreshed Dacia Duster arrives after September - with a new front end and interior, and possibly engines. This isn't as technical as the 500L, but it does the same job and is a good car, and cheaper.

The Duster is just beginning to arrive in numbers and I'm seeing them about now.

My anxiety is that the 500L is priced just a bit too high, not just for a Fiat but for a car of its size and type. Still, I saw a black Renault Captur parked up tonight and I was surprised that I actually didn't like the look of it at all, I thought I would. The 500L is actually smarter.
 
Well they would and still could have my money if they fitted a decent diesel lump.(not wishing to restart a thread)
 
Thats good news Liam.The 1.6 in 120 hp guise is knocking out more torque than the 1.9 did in 150hp guise.If i get one i,ll put a steinbauer on it,original Fiat map and as safe as houses.Going to look at a trekking today.
 
I've seen 4 500L's on the road so far:

3 Passadoble Red ones, all which looked like PopStar ones - reg CU13 on the M4 in Wiltshire, W?13 in Banbury, Oxfordshire & LN13 in Kidlington, Oxfordshire.

1 dark grey one, reg AO13, in Malmesbury, Wiltshire, which looked like a Lounge.

Fiat struck gold in the UK with the 500. It's the second biggest market in Europe for the 500 I believe. Having that success with another model is going to be hard going, as they've seen with the new Panda, which sells next to nothing here by comparison. Their models do seem a bit expensive for what they offer in terms of kit and power, hence I suspect why the Panda now has what looks like being a permanent/semi-permanent 'Customer Saving' on it. As much as I really don't like VW Group products, they are (rightly or wrongly) trusted more in the UK than Fiat Group and some of their products do look pretty good value for money at a time when Fiat seems to be increasing prices. You're not gonna setthe sales charts alight with a strategy like that against someone like VW. Not in the UK, anyway.

However, at a time when PSA, Renault, General Motors and Ford have well-documented financial troubles, Fiat Group by comparison seem to be doing alright. Or if they're not, they're not saying anything about it. So perhaps the idea of selling a few cars at full price is better than selling loads at a discount. They certainly seem in no amazing hurry to add new models to the tiny Alfa, Jeep & Chrysler line-ups or to replace the aging Punto & Bravo & one would imagine a bit more obvious panic if there was trouble at mill, so maybe it's all just fine & dandy at Fiat Towers. Who knows.

Thats good news Liam.The 1.6 in 120 hp guise is knocking out more torque than the 1.9 did in 150hp guise.If i get one i,ll put a steinbauer on it,original Fiat map and as safe as houses.Going to look at a trekking today.

I've not driven a 1.6 Multijet, but some of those who have do say that whilst it claims to deliver more torque than the 1.9, it doesn't feel like it does. Would be interesting to see what you think from looking at the Trekking, though obviously you'll only be able to test the 1.6 diesel in 105bhp form at this stage.
 
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Fiat struck gold in the UK with the 500. It's the second biggest market in Europe for the 500 I believe. Having that success with another model is going to be hard going, as they've seen with the new Panda, which sells next to nothing here by comparison. Their models do seem a bit expensive for what they offer in terms of kit and power, hence I suspect why the Panda now has what looks like being a permanent/semi-permanent 'Customer Saving' on it. As much as I really don't like VW Group products, they are (rightly or wrongly) trusted more in the UK than Fiat Group and some of their products do look pretty good value for money at a time when Fiat seems to be increasing prices. You're not gonna setthe sales charts alight with a strategy like that against someone like VW. Not in the UK, anyway.

My experience is that people who buy VWs wouldn't look twice at Fiats as they are perceived to be cheap, in all senses, and poor quality - and don't forget image! VW has image in spades, Fiat has the 500 and not much else.

However, at a time when PSA, Renault, General Motors and Ford have well-documented financial troubles, Fiat Group by comparison seem to be doing alright. Or if they're not, they're not saying anything about it. So perhaps the idea of selling a few cars at full price is better than selling loads at a discount. They certainly seem in no amazing hurry to add new models to the tiny Alfa, Jeep & Chrysler line-ups or to replace the aging Punto & Bravo & one would imagine a bit more obvious panic if there was trouble at mill, so maybe it's all just fine & dandy at Fiat Towers. Who knows.

The Fiat group has as many problems as everyone else. Fiat makes no profits in Europe, depending on Brazil and Chrysler in the US to balance the books. This is why Marrichone is currently battling the Italian unions in the courts in order to get them to be more flexible in their working practices. He has threatened to move corporate HQ to the US or, last week, Holland, where the tax regime is similar to the US. There have been threats to move all Fiat production outside Italy if the unions don't budge; at present the 500L and 500 are built in Serbia and Poland, and the Doblo is built in Turkey.

Fiat is still debating on what to do with Alfa. They still can't decide on a strategy, but the US wants rear wheel drive cars and they don't have a rear wheel drive chassis to adapt for a BMW 3 series competitor. But they are well aware that limping along with the Gulietta and Mito can't last forever. And the forthcoming sports car is a niche player.

The Punto is still viable in Italy, as is the little Lancia, but nowhere else, and Fiat knows that they have to appeal to a world market or fail. As for the Bravo, forget it, everyone else has ;)

The French have just launched the Renault Captur and the Peugeot 2008, and VW and the rest have similar small crossovers coming. These will all put pressure on the 500L, which seems to be more expensive like for like already. I know all the makers are trying to go upmarket, where the profits are, but breaking in to a market held by VW and the Koreans, with their warranties, isn't an easy thing to do.

At this very moment Fiat is in the throes of very important reorganisation and it will be fascinating to see the outcome.
 
Fiat struck gold in the UK with the 500. It's the second biggest market in Europe for the 500 I believe. Having that success with another model is going to be hard going, as they've seen with the new Panda, which sells next to nothing here by comparison. Their models do seem a bit expensive for what they offer in terms of kit and power, hence I suspect why the Panda now has what looks like being a permanent/semi-permanent 'Customer Saving' on it. As much as I really don't like VW Group products, they are (rightly or wrongly) trusted more in the UK than Fiat Group and some of their products do look pretty good value for money at a time when Fiat seems to be increasing prices. You're not gonna setthe sales charts alight with a strategy like that against someone like VW. Not in the UK, anyway.

A good post here comparing with the Panda. When the Panda was launched, I felt that its prices were probably about right; I couldn't see the logic in them being much lower than the 500.

However, fast forward 12 months and it's fair to say the initial prices were too high. The 1.2 Pop was IMO poor value at £8,900 list price - now it's £7,500 across the board with many pre-reg deals below £7k. You only have to look on the Panda section to see that there are also quite a lot of good pre-reg TA deals to be had as well.

On a more positive note though, I have definitely seen a significant jump in the last couple of months in terms of other new Pandas on the road. In fact, a couple of weeks ago I drove into Exeter and back home again and counted 8 in total! Would be useful of course to see the official sales figures but I am convinced the Panda is doing better in the UK (probably helped by the Trekking and 4x4 models too).

Bringing it back on topic - I think FIAT will wait and see how things go until the end of the year before making any price changes to the 500L. I still feel it offers reasonably good value - unlike the Panda 1.2 Pop, the entry level 500L 1.4 Pop Star has shed loads of standard kit.

I also believe that it will sell... eventually anyway. The amount of money FIAT has spent on the 500L means that it can't really afford for it to be a dud. Aside from that though, the model I sat in really was a lovely car. You get a whole load of space from a car that is about 15cm longer than a Fiesta (crazy isn't it!).
 
Bringing it back on topic - I think FIAT will wait and see how things go until the end of the year before making any price changes to the 500L. I still feel it offers reasonably good value - unlike the Panda 1.2 Pop, the entry level 500L 1.4 Pop Star has shed loads of standard kit.

I also believe that it will sell... eventually anyway. The amount of money FIAT has spent on the 500L means that it can't really afford for it to be a dud. Aside from that though, the model I sat in really was a lovely car. You get a whole load of space from a car that is about 15cm longer than a Fiesta (crazy isn't it!).

I know, but it isn't reassuring for buyers when prices of cars fluctuate so soon after a launch. I agree that the Panda was too dear at launch and poorly specced, and I also think that the 500L, although rather lovely, is too expensive.

Fiat couldn't afford any of its cars to fail, but the Croma did, the Bravo hasn't been a success, and the Lancias don't work outside Italy. Fiat doesn't have a complete range of cars, unlike much of the competition, and at the top end there is nothing.

My hope is that the US market takes to the 500L and whatever else comes along. VW, and the Germans, Japanese, 'British :rolleyes:' and Korenas in general, depend heavily on US sales, and the American market is booming at the moment.
 
I know all the makers are trying to go upmarket, where the profits are, but breaking in to a market held by VW and the Koreans, with their warranties, isn't an easy thing to do.

I know I'm quoting myself, but I read in one of the mags today that Citroen is looking towards producing a cheaper range of cars, built more simply than at present, with simpler construction and fewer separate components, to compete with the likes of Skoda, and will use its DS 'brand' to build a more technological and upmarket series of cars to take on Audi etc..

And Peugeot is going to try and compete with VW.

At least it's a strategy.
 
How many 500's did Fiat sell when it was first introduced? remembering that the market was quite buoyant then ? I think the 500L sales will start to increase once people get used to seeing them... and confidence grows in a recovering economy....
 
I'm positive about the 500L as well, but it will sell more when all the engines arrive and they rationalise the price structure. And it's true, the 500 took forever to get going, because the 'new' market was afraid of Fiats and felt themselves to be testing uncertain water.

However, I don't believe the economy will recover, I believe what we are experiencing now is a dead cat bounce. Sorry ;)
 
Wish they'd include UK figures - it's like we don't matter, when in fact we're one of the biggest markets for the regular 500 and increasingly important to Fiat Group as a whole (n)

Only thing I can add is that I have seen more 500L's on the road than 2012 Punto's, and from (until yesterday) working at a Fiat/Alfa dealer, we probably had about 3 on order in any monthly period, a similar figure to the regular Panda (the 4x4's figures are almost up there with 500/500c for popularity).

Interesting, given it's quite expensive for a Fiat, the 500L's I've ordered have all been diesel and all been Lounge or Trekking models, the most expensive! From a manufacturer that used to do so well selling base model Panda & Punto's, to be seemingly shifting so many 500S's, Panda 4x4's and top spec 500L's, they must be fairly pleased.
 
thanks Liam,
and a Happy New Year to you !!.. (are you taking a change of direction ?)

I bought my Punto through necessity in March,
only seen 3 others in 9 months, 2 are demo's..

completely backs up the need for a fresh faced FIAT in that segment,

I actually sat in a Citroen Showroom, ordering the punto..,

they are some nice looking / differently styled cars - LED's and all,
.. BUT I know they are still "tinfoil and chewing gum.." underneath,

Charlie
 
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