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Fiat 500L TwinAir - First Drive

The cunning plan? Build it quite big but align it to the company’s best-loved small car in the hope that some of the magic will rub off


David Wilkins

Wednesday, 4 July 2012
Engine: 875cc two-cylinder in-line turbocharged TwinAir with MultiAir valvegear
Transmission: six-speed manual
Power: 105PS at 5,500rpm (98 at 5,750rpm in fuel-saving ECO mode)
Torque: 145Nm at 2,000rpm
Fuel consumption (combined cycle): 4.8 litres per 100 km (approx. 58.9mpg)
CO2 emissions: 112g/km, meets strictest EURO 6 standard
Top speed: 112 mph (180 km/h)
Acceleration (0-62 mph): 12.3 seconds
Price: UK pricing not yet decided, initial guidance suggests £14,000 upwards
On sale in the UK: 2013

Fiat is famously an awful lot better at small cars than it is at big ones; the 500L probably represents its cleverest attempt yet at correcting the problem.

The Italians’ cunning plan? Build a vehicle that’s quite big but give it the name and many of the outward characteristics of the company’s best-loved small car in the hope that some of the magic will rub off. That’s why Fiat’s practical new roomy upright compact is called the 500L, rather than, say, Multipla or 600, names that would probably be more consistent with the company’s previous naming policies. Will it work? It’s too early to be certain, but I the omens are good. BMW has already set a successful precedent with the big five-door Mini Countryman, and an early taste of the 500L in Fiat’s home city, Turin, revealed a car that shares at least some of the 500’s charm, but adds quite a few plus points to the mix.

The first thing to say is that while the 500L is clearly intended to trade on the popularity of the standard 500, its exterior styling really only strongly follows that of the smaller car at the front; in platform terms, it is based on the larger Punto and there are several visual reminders of another popular Fiat, the Panda, in the design of the glazed rear pillars and the “squircle” shape of the wheel arches and the steering wheel boss. Overall, the family resemblance between the standard 500 and the 500 L is quite a bit less marked than that between the BMW Mini and the Countryman. That’s not necessarily a bad thing - the Mini shape doesn’t really translate particularly well to the larger Countryman format, whereas the 500 L has a friendly, appealing look of its own.

Three engine options are available, one diesel and two petrol. The diesel is Fiat’s well-regarded 1.3-litre MultiJet, and here it turns out 85 horsepower. The two petrols are a 1.4-litre four and a 0.9-litre two-cylinder TwinAir. Thanks to turbocharging, it’s the smaller petrol engine that is the more powerful – it produces 105 horsepower to the four’s 95. The TwinAir played an important part in establishing the distinctive character of the existing 500, so its use in the 500L was probably inevitable. The main difference is that Fiat has boosted the power of the TwinAir here from its usual 85 horsepower to 105. On the road, it’s just as characterful as it is in other applications but feels, perhaps, a little more refined. In performance terms, the extra power is offset by the new car’s greater size and weight but Fiat fans are probably already hoping that the 105 horsepower version will make it into some of the other cars that use this engine – not least the standard three-door 500.

Our test route was quite short, covering mainly urban streets in Turin and local motorways, so a detailed assessment of the finer points of the 500L’s dynamic qualities will have to wait. But in any case, I suspect that open road performance and cornering prowess are going to be a lot less important to this car’s potential customers than its many practical virtues. These include a big roomy interior that successfully blends design elements from the 500’s and Panda’s cabins to produce a very attractive environment indeed. The 500L is particularly big on storage, with lots of handy cubby holes dotted around all over the place and a “double-decker” arrangement of shelves for the luggage space. So-called “Fold&Tumble” seats produce a flat load surface when they are lowered.

Like the standard 500 and other cars that are aimed at style-conscious customers, such as the Mini, Citroën DS3 and Range Rover Evoque, the 500L also provies a very wide range of personalisation options, with two-tone paint jobs offering particular scope to produce a dramatic look. The new car can also be ordered with an enormous panoramic glass roof; with its surface area of 1.5 square metres, Fiat reckons it’s probably the largest on the market and it certainly makes a big difference to the feeling of light and airiness in the interior. A multimedia system, UConnect, gives smart-phone integration and a five-inch screen but there’s one optional extra which I suspect will generate more column inches of coverage than any other feature of the 500L’s design; a Lavazza in-car coffee- maker that will help make Torinese traffic jams – or those in any other city for that matter – just that bit more tolerable.

Built in a new factory in Serbia, the 500L won’t come to the UK until next year, by which time the engine line-up should have been expanded to include a 1.6-litre diesel. No official prices have yet been released but a starting point somewhere between £14,000 and £15,000 looks likely. I think it’s going to do well.
 
That is a well written and sensible article which includes some intelligent analysis without either swallowing any manufacturer guff or regurgitating any silly stereotypes.

I'm impressed.
 
The cunning plan? Build it quite big but align it to the company’s best-loved small car in the hope that some of the magic will rub off

I know the Panda isn't selling that well... -- but, surely, now the 500L is 'made flesh', it will eat (even more) into its sales...? Seems a shame; and too much following in the Mini's, er, footsteps.... :confused:
 
The main difference is that Fiat has boosted the power of the TwinAir here from its usual 85 horsepower to 105.

Err ... can I get that too on my 500 Lounge Twinair that is arriving next month?! Pleeezze!?

First post by the way :D
 
I know the Panda isn't selling that well... -- but, surely, now the 500L is 'made flesh', it will eat (even more) into its sales...? Seems a shame; and too much following in the Mini's, er, footsteps.... :confused:


I find the panda ugly = (
 
I find the panda ugly = (

I sort of know what you mean.... Compared to the previous one, there's something a little 'bubbly' about it (maybe even a little generic, too...?); not as 'clean' a design (IYSWIM)... -- although I, personally, wouldn't go as far as to call it "ugly". [However, one man's E-Type ("a quail’s egg dipped in celery salt"?) is another man's Volkswagen Beetle....] :confused:

Having only seen a few in the flesh, though, I think it's one of those (many) cars that is greatly affected (if that's the right word) by what colour it is.... In this case (IMHO), the darker colours seem to work better.... :cool:
 
It is indeed a very good balanced review, I think Fiat have to be quite happy with that.

My wife is actually quite keen on it, I was genuinely surprised when she said she liked the look of it! I still personally would like to see more of a 500 "stamp" on the car, but the argument put forward in the article is fair enough - maybe it just wouldn't work after all.

Will be interesting to see the prices for it. I suspect the TwinAir version isn't going to be all that cheap though, but we'll see what happens. Looks like you get a hell of a lot of space though for a car that is only marginally longer than a Punto.
 
It is indeed a very good balanced review, I think Fiat have to be quite happy with that.

My wife is actually quite keen on it, I was genuinely surprised when she said she liked the look of it! I still personally would like to see more of a 500 "stamp" on the car, but the argument put forward in the article is fair enough - maybe it just wouldn't work after all.

Will be interesting to see the prices for it. I suspect the TwinAir version isn't going to be all that cheap though, but we'll see what happens. Looks like you get a hell of a lot of space though for a car that is only marginally longer than a Punto.

It is a bit of a funny looking thing but so are lots of cars on sale today!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (y)
 
Can't see how this thing is going to impinge on Panda sales - if the pricing suggestion is anything to go by it's way out of Panda country. It's also at least half a class bigger. Hope it catches on as Fiat need some good news but I fear that it will be another unsuccessful attempt to push Fiat up-market. (By the way, is the writer related to Gordon Wilkins who was a motoring journo in the 60s and 70s, and maybe earlier?)

Won't take another whack at the Panda but this model illustrates how hard it is to update a retro style - do you go more retro - front-opening doors and so on - or do you dilute the retro-ness and end up with something bizarre like this and hope that people are stupid enough to be fooled by the name?
 
Does anyone know what gearbox is used on the 500L ? Surprised to see it was a 6 speed. Guessing that it might only be a C514.

I was expecting to see a C514R which I thought was only available in a 5 speed as fitted to the MJ II.

Also surprised to see that the torque is only 145Nm for 103bhp (105hp). Must be the way that it was mapped. Looks like they managed to get the extra bhp without an increase in torque which means that it's still below the rated max Nm of 150 for the C514.
 
Also surprised to see that the torque is only 145Nm for 103bhp (105hp). Must be the way that it was mapped. Looks like they managed to get the extra bhp without an increase in torque which means that it's still below the rated max Nm of 150 for the C514.

They'll have raised the torque peak - i.e. changed the 'cam' profile, making it a higher revving engine. It's the only way you can make more power in this way, and points to the fact they probably haven't touched the mechanics of the engine whatsoever.
 
Prices for the 500L have already been released in Holland:

http://www.fiatblog.nl/nederlandse-prijzen-fiat-500l-vanaf-e-18-995/

Actually I was wrong about the TwinAir, the TwinAir Pop is going to be the cheapest version at €18,995. You can use Google Translate to get the specs, haha!(y)

Personally I think £14k as a starting price in the UK will be a little optimistic, but you never know!
 
They'll have raised the torque peak - i.e. changed the 'cam' profile, making it a higher revving engine. It's the only way you can make more power in this way, and points to the fact they probably haven't touched the mechanics of the engine whatsoever.

Looks like a remap of the standard TA is 'on the cards' then but I'm not too sure about a tuning box. Hopefully someone will be able to confirm if the gearbox used is the same as the one on the discontinued 1.4.
 
Personally I think £14k as a starting price in the UK will be a little optimistic, but you never know!

Fiat is trying to push the marque upmarket, but in any case they have always been optimistic in pricing. I expect that by the time you have specced the few things you want as extras the car will cost nearer £16k, but I hope I am wrong.
 
Like to see an " Suicide doors" option for the 500L:

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Like this:

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