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Hi all.
I have searched forums, but there aren't any recent, or old, threads that review pipercross induction kit for 1.4 engines.

I am thinking of buying it for my 500 1.4ltr and was wondering how loud are they in cabin.
I don't mind a bit of noise, as I'm after a bit of sporty sound, but don't want it to be obnoxiously loud.

Also, any comment re improving torque or responsiveness with this kit?

Thanks
 
jimboy said:
You will loose down end grunt/power by fitting these types of induction kits. You will indeed be left with the sporty sound you desire, placebo effect following ;)
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Thanks. Do you have pipercross intake and did you measure it on a dyno? Is that how you found out there are losses?
 
PZ500 said:
Thanks. Do you have pipercross intake and did you measure it on a dyno? Is that how you found out there are losses?
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I’m in my mid 60s and have been working on cars for decades. On older cars back in the day with carbs and no ECU to worry about things we’re simple to up the power a bit. Fast forward we have vehicles with ECUs that the likes of Fiat in this case have spent money and development on their Air intake system which is not designed to really messed about with. The net is awash with information as is on here about intake kits not living up to the claims of improving the power of a vehicle. Bolt ons don’t really work themselves. It really is that simple.
 
jimboy said:
I’m in my mid 60s and have been working on cars for decades. On older cars back in the day with carbs and no ECU to worry about things we’re simple to up the power a bit. Fast forward we have vehicles with ECUs that the likes of Fiat in this case have spent money and development on their Air intake system which is not designed to really messed about with. The net is awash with information as is on here about intake kits not living up to the claims of improving the power of a vehicle. Bolt ons don’t really work themselves. It really is that simple.
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Unless you have a serious restrictions in the air intake changing to a more open one will not boost power

The fuel air mixture is tightly controlled by the ECU and it will adapt to any changes to bring it back into line
And more air able to get I to the intake does not mean more in the engine
On a NA engine this is determined by the cylinder size
And volume and on turbo engines the speed/size of the turbo determines the compression ratio again not effected by fitting a intake kit
 
Ok. But, you have threads on here which state that intake kits improved power by 1-3 bhp, as well as torque. Measured on dynos.

And you guys are saying ECU will take the extra oxygen, but will do nothing with it and still keep the engine at the stock power and torque.

I'm more interested in sound and torque to be honest. Making the car have a bit more pick up and responsiveness would be nice.

And if ECU equalises things, as you guys say, wouldn't that mean there would be no loss of power either?
 
PZ500 said:
Ok. But, you have threads on here which state that intake kits improved power by 1-3 bhp, as well as torque. Measured on dynos.

And you guys are saying ECU will take the extra oxygen, but will do nothing with it and still keep the engine at the stock power and torque.

I'm more interested in sound and torque to be honest. Making the car have a bit more pick up and responsiveness would be nice.

And if ECU equalises things, as you guys say, wouldn't that mean there would be no loss of power either?
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There won't be extra oxygen
A less restrictive intake does not mean the car will suddenly have more O2 in the cylinders
 
chris3234 said:
There won't be extra oxygen
A less restrictive intake does not mean the car will suddenly have more O2 in the cylinders
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So,there shouldn't be any gains or loses due to the ECU, only better sound.

Once a free flow exhaust and remap is in the equation, I reckon there should be some improvements.
 
chris3234 said:
Unless you have a serious restrictions in the air intake changing to a more open one will not boost power
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chris3234 said:
The fuel air mixture is tightly controlled by the ECU and it will adapt to any changes to bring it back into line
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Exactly. Changing the intake will make absolutely no difference whatsoever to power/torque except when the throttle is wide open.

It's possible you might see an extra HP or two on a dyno at peak power with the throttle fully open. Whether this will translate into any observable difference in the real world is questionable.
 
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PZ500 said:
So,there shouldn't be any gains or loses due to the ECU, only better sound.

Once a free flow exhaust and remap is in the equation, I reckon there should be some improvements.
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Been on here for 15 years or so and there are others who have been on longer, and this is probably the most asked question, how can I make my car faster or words to that effect. Most are young lads who are naive, some read stuff on the net or a mate down the pub tells them things that can be done to up the power. A remap in some cases is the only way to go. If you go down that route with a new exhaust plus remap, it will cost, and on some cars the results can be less than you expected.

Is it worth the money. I have no idea if the 500 will give good gains, someone else may be able to help. In the cases of young lads who ask about their 1.2 it’s really not worth the cost, realistically they couldn’t afford it anyway. To be fair I think we all have been there at one time or another, as I said earlier, my age group era had things relatively easy, that is if you had the money to buy a vehicle in the first place :D. My first car shared with a mate back in the early 70s was an old Ford Pop, aye, mustard colour to boot,:D. But that’s a whole different story. :cool:
 
Hi,
If you have any issues with insurance for any modifications you're thinking of doing then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.
 
Remember the OP is from Oz, so British insurance will not be an issue.

On Topic: I've had K&N panelfilters in my previous 2 cars (15 years in total). Although I never did it to gain power, they never felt slow.
I'd be suspicious of mushroomlike Conefilters that suck hot air from under the hood (bonnet).
They are sure to make you loose power.

gr J
 
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