Hi,

Started off a simple half day job to renew rear brake pads and discs......

Delays caused by removing slave caliper allen bolts as outlined in other post and now find the offside hub bearing is bad.

Can't see how it works with speed sensor ring to remove and press out bearings so any help of links please while I look too.

Thanks

Farrah

Farrah said:

Hi,

Started off a simple half day job to renew rear brake pads and discs......

Delays caused by removing slave caliper allen bolts as outlined in other post and now find the offside hub bearing is bad.

Can't see how it works with speed sensor ring to remove and press out bearings so any help of links please while I look too.

Thanks

Farrah

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Hi,

Well good news in a way because you have discovered your bad bearing

I haven't looked up parts for you but don't be surprised if bearing is integral part of the hub , so you may need a complete hub with bearing-it make job much easier.

Handle the hub/bearing very carefully as there is magnetic ring built into bearing that the sensor reads , don't damage magnetic ring or you will be doing it all again .

Do get a part from a good brand .

Good luck
Jack

Rear discs are quite rare on the 500
But most have the abs ring as part of The bearing these days and not a separate part

Also believe the rear bearings on the 500 for both drum and discs simply bolts on as part of the "hub" part the the wheels and discs bolt to
It's all one unit rather then separate units

Hi both,

Yes bearings are all part of the hub assembly and bought as a kit.

Pleasantly surprised on price so decided to do both sides. Complete two new rear hubs and bearings with ABS sensor rings were less than just the inner rear wheel bearing on the 308.

There was a comment on one of the suppliers that said to align up sensor with something as it was different for each side.........I do not understand this or for what they are meaning unless it is to do with a separate abs ring but it was to do with the magnetic sensors



I did notice a noise at higher speeds coming from the rear somewhere but thought it maybe from the rear of sunroof seal or the boot seal. Maybe hopefully the bearing was the cause.

Parts arrive tomorrow which looks a rainy day so maybe get the car back on the road by end of week. Then have to get the fronts done...........after that it should be OK for a while apart from a couple of new tyres in about another 1000 miles and the MoT in September

Farrah

Well finally the rear end was all finished last night. What was expected a simple Sunday afternoon job for my retired mechanic has taken two whole days.


New discs, pads and complete rear bearing/hub assemblies both sides so will test drive later today as the heavens opened up as it was being finished. Total part cost was around £100 and all reasonable named makes....... that said who knows where made. Just hope what we thought was wind noise from a bad rubber seal at high speed ends up being the old bearing noise and that really will have made it all worthwhile.


Just fronts left to do now but first set of pads despite showing correct part number came without wear sensor so had to be returned and now waiting replacements to arrive.

Farrah

Farrah said:

Well finally the rear end was all finished last night. What was expected a simple Sunday afternoon job for my retired mechanic has taken two whole days.


New discs, pads and complete rear bearing/hub assemblies both sides so will test drive later today as the heavens opened up as it was being finished. Total part cost was around £100 and all reasonable named makes....... that said who knows where made. Just hope what we thought was wind noise from a bad rubber seal at high speed ends up being the old bearing noise and that really will have made it all worthwhile.


Just fronts left to do now but first set of pads despite showing correct part number came without wear sensor so had to be returned and now waiting replacements to arrive.

Farrah

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Great to hear you're back on the road. Do you know what caused the difficulty - I would make a guess at corroded fixings?

Reasonably priced parts and generally good availability is one of the things I like about our small Fiats.

Hi xxauldjock,

The delay was really all caused by the slave part of the caliper fittings.

I detailed this in the other post when I asked for help. Not sure if it is Abarth/Sport issue but I watched 3 different youtubes on changing discs and brake pads on rear of Fiat 500 and it looked very simple.

Problem was when we came to take the slave side of the caliper off to remove the disc it was not a normal hexhead bolt as stated in the video but an allen key head and you could not get an allen key in the space provided so we got confused. As there was a speed sensor lead going into the hub which we could not see how that was fitted we felt time to stop and ask. Jackwhoo kindly linked another youtube video of the Abarth which had same fittings and explained you had to remove the whole main wheel bracketry from the trailing arm to get at the allen heads.

A really stupid design IMHO that could have been simply cured by having a small recess notch in the bracket to allow an allen key to fit. Obviously the service guys in the factory were asleep when they let this one slip passed them in the design stage.

After that hiccup we then realised the hub bearings were not good and there was a flat spot and noisy so decided to change those but could not work out how to get the bearings out without damaging magnetic speed sensor so came back to do more research and found you just changed the whole assembly.

Figured this was going to be expensive but strangely buying the whole two assemblies was very reasonable and less for both sides than what just one rear inner bearing on our 308 cost. Indeed for the whole parts cost complete both sides as I said it came in less than £100 for pads, discs and new hubs


Items came well packaged with new nuts and dust/grease caps but no idea of manufacturer but did come from a reputable supplier.

The problem with the rear bearings was the inner bearing dust seal had obviously allowed water to penetrate through and gone a bit rusty on the bearings. It seems most bearings are not described as this being a water proof seal but just a dust seal.


Farrah

Farrah said:

The problem with the rear bearings was the inner bearing dust seal had obviously allowed water to penetrate through and gone a bit rusty on the bearings. It seems most bearings are not described as this being a water proof seal but just a dust seal.
Farrah

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Good to hear it all went together ok

The 'dust seals' will do a fair job of keeping the 'mist' of road spray out

Pressure washers will soon overcome them

varesecrazy said:

Good to hear it all went together ok

The 'dust seals' will do a fair job of keeping the 'mist' of road spray out

Pressure washers will soon overcome them

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Yes we have roller bearing guide wheels on our electric gate and despite the 'dust' seal the bearings rusted in a couple of years but they are horizontal. In the end we had them all renewed with stainless steel ones and put an extra water shed piece above them and now they have still been going 5 years.

The Fiat inner rear bearing with the dust seal is tight up to the back of the inner disc shield and then the whole disc sits over the hub so not much chance of powerwash getting near it but no doubt it is just road splash draining down. The outer bearing is butted up to the inner bearing and no seals other than being all sealed off by the metal nut/grease cap. This bearing was very clean but when we dug out the dust seal from the inner bearing the ball carrier and inner was well rusted.

I think for the cost of the new bearings and hubs I would just replace anytime discs are being changed. It would only take and extra 10 minutes.

Annoying though on the test drive the wind/seal noise has not gone at high speed but I am sure this is just the boot seal aperture or coming from the gap on the roof between the sunroof glass and metal roof skin.

I will tape both up sometime and see if I can locate it......that said don't really drive over 100mph that often:devil:

Farrah

Farrah said:

Hi xxauldjock,

The delay was really all caused by the slave part of the caliper fittings.

Problem was when we came to take the slave side of the caliper off to remove the disc it was not a normal hexhead bolt as stated in the video but an allen key head and you could not get an allen key in the space provided so we got confused. As there was a speed sensor lead going into the hub which we could not see how that was fitted we felt time to stop and ask. Jackwhoo kindly linked another youtube video of the Abarth which had same fittings and explained you had to remove the whole main wheel bracketry from the trailing arm to get at the allen heads.

A really stupid design IMHO that could have been simply cured by having a small recess notch in the bracket to allow an allen key to fit. Obviously the service guys in the factory were asleep when they let this one slip passed them in the design stage.

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Must be the same guy who Ok'd the position of the rearmost bolt which holds the brake cylinder to the backplate on our 169 model Pandas. Makes what should be a really easy job into much more of a challenge (but the sort of challenge which is unwanted and completely unnecessary)

Pugglt Auld Jock said:

Must be the same guy who Ok'd the position of the rearmost bolt which holds the brake cylinder to the backplate on our 169 model Pandas. Makes what should be a really easy job into much more of a challenge (but the sort of challenge which is unwanted and completely unnecessary)

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As my day job is spent online tapping keyboards tracking down financial online scammers you can be assuerd I have very short fingernails. Years ago as a long term LandRover Jaguar owner I was asked to assist in a design review for women on things like switches/access etc for women drivers.......

Natuarally I declined especially as it was mentioned operating switches with long fingernails was something to be looked at AND Victoria Beckham would be part of the design input team on the latest NEW Range Rover Evoque. WOW:yuck:


It was brilliant though to know that when I broke down late at night and had to check my fuses I had some female input. Well done designers it is not easy to take out those little new type fuses but thankfully in the fusebox they put a little plastic plier to remove them............

Well Victoria you probably managed fine to remove the plier with those long fingernails to then remove the fuses with those pliers. I could not and in the end it was easier to just call out the help service..

If you have a Range Rover Evoque please try the rear boot fusebox LHS and see if you can remove the plier tool to remove the fuses and let me know where I went wrong. And don't ask me about removing the battery cover.............those plastic things are somewhere on the side of the M1.

They need to get the component designers in the service workshops doing what would be general repairs and stripdown replacement of their parts IMHO

OK I have had a rotten week with my mechanic in wet weather sorting out just the rear end brakes etc and the new front replacement pads finally arrived today so a nice SUNNY weekend job now for him.....IF ALL GOES WELL we will be in a good mood next week.

Farrah

I had a unique experience when researching a replacement for my trusty old SEAT Cordoba estate. The initial obvious choice was the Ibiza ST (estate) which would have been an almost direct replacement in terms of size and load carrying ability. However with several grandchildren now on the scene and needing to transport prams and accommodate child seats etc I started looking at vehicles in the next larger size bracket.

I've long been attracted to the Honda Civic Estate (this was 2016) and especially the rather clever 1.8 I-Vtec engine. Anyway after a lot of googling I took the plunge and went along to our local Honda main agent for a much closer look and a test drive if possible. Luckily when I called in there was only one other customer in the showroom and they were quite accommodating and let me crawl all over the display vehicle - which I did for a good 20 minutes. Then, luckily, they had a used example of the face lifted version in stock so I got a test drive and I liked it - A LOT!

Went back the next day with my better half, who is one of the smaller examples of her sex, and, disaster! She could only fully depress the clutch pedal with the seat as far forward as it would go, but also, because of the unusual dashboard, she had to have the seat elevated almost to it's maximum to see the speedo. The result of this slightly extreme driving position was that, no matter what we tried, her left knee became trapped under the dashboard before she could fully release the clutch pedal. The salesman even got their disability advisor to asses the problem but no matter what we tried there was no way to resolve the problem.

So we ended up with the Ibiza! I have to admit to being astonished by this experience. We are now in our 70's and have had many vehicles of a wide variety of makes during our long life together. Never ever come across this problem before. A great pity, I really fancied the Civic with it's clever but simpler normally aspirated, port injected engine -compared to the Ibiza's turboed, direct injection device.

Its not like the Japanese are a nation of 7 footers ... although it might not be a 'home market' car


My neighbour worked as a chauffeur in later life.. we were an hour from Heathrow

Got to Heathrow to collect early on morning.. no issue.. went to the pick.up bay.. low oil warning.

Thats odd.. wasnt on 2 mins ago..?

Lifted bonnet.. just carpet : MPV

Restarted motor.. no warning.. drove for 100 miles.. no issue

Got back to yard.. reported it

'Do you want to have a look'?

Slide drivers seat right back

Remove mats.. unclip carpet
Unbolt steel panel

DIPSTICK ( level was fine..)

The filler was under the PASSENGER FOOTWELL.. 5 minute job then

For sure if buying a car all family drivers really need to sit in it and test driving position.

We actually bought the Fiat 500 for our daughter but she had sat in one and test drove at a used garage.

This 2010 sport we got came up locally as a private sale as the husband bought it for his wife as a present off a friend who had had it from new and only done 45k miles.

They had only had the car for a week so naturally we were very suspicious but his wife was middle aged around 5ft 4 inches and just could not get the seat low enough at the front to work the pedals comfortably without pressure on her rear inner thigh at the back of her knee.

Although we are all taller if wearing flat shoes I really can understand exactly what her issues were..................maybe Fiat got some women with stilettos to help in their original design


Farrah

Its strange isnt it ..
Our 2004 panda always gave me leg ache on longer drives

But our 'panda driver' is 4ft 10
And FIATs 'just work' for her

The filler was under the PASSENGER FOOTWELL.. 5 minute job then

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Classic design - my '52 MG has the same for the brake fluid reservoir. And the tranny oil filler is right in the middle of the tranny tunnel. And it even has a dipstick. Talk about progress in the last 70 years