Guys I’m on the hunt for a new battery ....
this is the one I currently have but I don’t think it’s good enough to handle SS and all my electronics [emoji23] I’ve been looking at the Bosch EFB apparently this is better equipped for my cars needs SS ect ....... any thoughts.....

Try Tayna battries for a battery for a family members 500l diesel with start stop for much cheeper the any of those prices around £70 I think it was


That being said the battery you looks to be the correct type may just be down to lack of longer drives currently

chris3234 said:

Try Tayna battries for a battery for a family members 500l diesel with start stop for much cheeper the any of those prices around £70 I think it was





That being said the battery you looks to be the correct type may just be down to lack of longer drives currently

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Would longer drives cure it? Trouble is I don’t go that far daily if I do go a bit further the SS kicks in!
Maybe a better battery would hold a higher charge? For longer ..enabling SS even though I do short journeys?

Baglady1990 said:

Would longer drives cure it? Trouble is I don’t go that far daily if I do go a bit further the SS kicks in!
Maybe a better battery would hold a higher charge? For longer ..enabling SS even though I do short journeys?

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Whoo it would hold charge longer it would also take longer to recharge to recharge to kick in again

I wish they would uninvent it, its pants.

Can you not turn the SS off for a while? To put max charge into battery.
As I understand it the SS should not 'kick in' until the battery is at a suitable state of charge, but if you are only doing short journeys then it might just be on the limit of kicking in or not, so if you disable it for a while ( before getting a new battery ) it might last a good long while yet.
Might be worth investing in an intelligent battery charger ( something like a CTEK 5.0 - other battery chargers are available etc ) and giving the battery a much loved boost every couple of months if you constantly do very short runs.

It doesn't matter how big the battery is, if you don't drive the car sufficiently long the battery will slowly discharge, that said our non SS car gets driven mostly very short journeys and we've not had an issue with starting, though the battery died at 4 years old

I'd agree with everything that's been said here; your current battery's the correct type, it's not very old and the problem appears to be the cumulative effect of repeated short trips. With or without S/S even the best quality battery you can get isn't going to solve anything.

Short of a weekly blast down the motorway (counter-productive to the use of S/S!), regular charging, say overnight once a week, seems to be your only option - even if you turn S/S off. As I've said elsewhere, mine is now on a float charge permanently between increasingly less frequent outings.

Thanks chaps [emoji106] got my permanent leads in place (positive & chassis) will do a charge once a week if needed

I won't start a new thread, I'll just add my own cautionary tale. In January my son reported our 1.2 Pop behaving a bit oddly - engine warning light coming on and warning that SS was was unavailable. I didn't see it happen then but eventually it happened to me so I diagnosed that a new battery was required. So I ordered one and fitted it in March. All was good the it started again.
To cut a long story short my local garage couldn't diagnose the error codes when the had it in for service and MOT last week so I had to go to a dealer. The mechanic there diagnosed it was the battery and the one I fitted wasn't a SS type. And in fairness the one they fitted was much more substantial.
I wish I had actually done a bit of reading before ordering that first battery.

Baglady1990 said:

Guys I’m on the hunt for a new battery ....
View attachment 209457 this is the one I currently have but I don’t think it’s good enough to handle SS and all my electronics [emoji23] I’ve been looking at the Bosch EFB apparently this is better equipped for my cars needs SS ect ....... any thoughts.....

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Duralast SuperStart batteries are very good. They are known for one thing... lasting a very long time. I believe they are a worldwide brand. If not go for Bosch, they make great car products.

Rocco Reviews said:

Duralast SuperStart batteries are very good. They are known for one thing... lasting a very long time. I believe they are a worldwide brand. If not go for Bosch, they make great car products.

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Don’t think “Duralast” exists in the uk, don’t know about other parts of Europe, but we do have plenty of good brands which are cheaper than Bosch, that’s not to say Bosch don’t make good batteries.

Magneti Marelli Is Fiat’s own electronics components brand and they do often ship new Fiat’s with these batteries. Also varta and exide make good batteries, which can be cheaper.

Sometimes you will buy a very cheap off brand battery and find somewhere on the label a little logo to show it’s been made by one of these companies. A car battery is so basic that the ancient Egyptians figured the technology out, so there is no need to be buying an expensive battery if you don’t need to

Halfords own brand batteries were made and supplied by yuasa .
Yuasa are an excellent battery manufacturer.
Actually Yuasa are my preferred brand for batteries.

There are two options for an S&S equipped car;

HB202 - which is tiny and a conventional style battery
EFB013- which is larger, more expensive and specifically designed for S&S use


You already have the right battery but an EFB096 could fit if your battery tray is 280mm (EFB113 is 250 I think). The 096 is a monster and will ignite even fresh air, never mind benzina.


But EFB113 is the one for your car.

The Younger Mrs S.'s Rasputin has an HB202 and I only had the S&S working properly (i.e. it also turns the engine off) when I used it a lot for a couple of weeks daily AND after I'd removed the earth strap from the battery post and cleaned both faces up religiously with wire wool before re-assembling them firmly.

Since the lockdown the beast has seen less use and the S&S is now an &S.... it re-starts if I stall it but it doesn't shut down by itself. The battery could need a boost (it was dead flat when I tried to use it , but recharged okay) or it may need the post re-cleaning, if it has oxidised a bit enough to affect the current through the condition sensor. That could be worth a try on yours too.


Ralf S.

Ralf S. said:

There are two options for an S&S equipped car;

HB202 - which is tiny and a conventional style battery
EFB013- which is larger, more expensive and specifically designed for S&S use


You already have the right battery but an EFB096 could fit if your battery tray is 280mm (EFB113 is 250 I think). The 096 is a monster and will ignite even fresh air, never mind benzina.


But EFB113 is the one for your car.

The Younger Mrs S.'s Rasputin has an HB202 and I only had the S&S working properly (i.e. it also turns the engine off) when I used it a lot for a couple of weeks daily AND after I'd removed the earth strap from the battery post and cleaned both faces up religiously with wire wool before re-assembling them firmly.

Since the lockdown the beast has seen less use and the S&S is now an &S.... it re-starts if I stall it but it doesn't shut down by itself. The battery could need a boost (it was dead flat when I tried to use it , but recharged okay) or it may need the post re-cleaning, if it has oxidised a bit enough to affect the current through the condition sensor. That could be worth a try on yours too.


Ralf S.

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Yeah I’ll try clean earth strap ect now it’s stopped raining ️ as the SS has stopped working again! Given the car a good run too but prob needs a booster charge again! I too always get the S if I stall and the obligatory SS not available [emoji19] it’s great when it works .... but unfortunately it likes to play up! Ah well!!

Ralf S. said:

There are two options for an S&S equipped car;

HB202 - which is tiny and a conventional style battery
EFB013- which is larger, more expensive and specifically designed for S&S use


You already have the right battery but an EFB096 could fit if your battery tray is 280mm (EFB113 is 250 I think). The 096 is a monster and will ignite even fresh air, never mind benzina.


But EFB113 is the one for your car.

The Younger Mrs S.'s Rasputin has an HB202 and I only had the S&S working properly (i.e. it also turns the engine off) when I used it a lot for a couple of weeks daily AND after I'd removed the earth strap from the battery post and cleaned both faces up religiously with wire wool before re-assembling them firmly.

Since the lockdown the beast has seen less use and the S&S is now an &S.... it re-starts if I stall it but it doesn't shut down by itself. The battery could need a boost (it was dead flat when I tried to use it , but recharged okay) or it may need the post re-cleaning, if it has oxidised a bit enough to affect the current through the condition sensor. That could be worth a try on yours too.


Ralf S.

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Where on earth is the earth strap!? What does it look like! Ol dum dum ere can’t find it [emoji19]

It's another name for the lead that goes to battery negative post.

Rasputin has a small post sticking up next to the negative terminal, about 5mm in diameter and 3-4cm high.

There's a cap that sits on top of it, with a clip inside it. You press in a couple of "buttons" on the side of the cap to release the clip. This cap has an earth cable that seems to run down to/earth on the gearbox.

The battery also has a normal looking negative post on the battery, with a black lead and regular battery terminal on it.... but this cable can't be a traditional style earth, since disconnecting the cap ^ makes the clock etc. re-set... so the "battery terminal" must be for some other purpose. Removing the terminal does cut the power supply though, since the smaller post is connected to it. The battery condition sensor is attached to the terminal.

Now I recall, I think I also removed the terminal and cleaned up the battery post, as well as the smaller post.

I think newer cars (post 2015?) with S&S have a different arrangement. They have a normal looking earth terminal on the battery with the battery condition sensor on it.. but a separate "false earth" which is supposed to be used when jump-starting (and charging the battery?). It's designed to stop people connecting directly to the battery earth post, which can damage the condition sensor.. but I don't know much more about it.


Ralf S.

Here's a photo I found on the internet, which is similar to what mine looks like. The guy is holding the cap, which is off the small post.

My post is actually a part of the battery negative terminal, so it's further to the right. I can't see where this one is attached.. but you get the idea.


Ralf S.