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Re: 500 DRL upgrade

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If you're the kind of person that bothers about keeping strictly on the right side of the regulations, just be aware these can't legally be used on the road. The website does say these are for off-road use, but you have to dig down deep to find it.

IMO it's time the regulations were updated to allow the lawful use of properly engineered, tested and certified aftermarket LED replacements for OEM bulbs.
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Re: 500 DRL upgrade

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If you're the kind of person that bothers about keeping strictly on the right side of the regulations, just be aware these can't legally be used on the road. The website does say these are for off-road use, but you have to dig down deep to find it.

IMO it's time the regulations were updated to allow the lawful use of properly engineered, tested and certified aftermarket LED replacements for OEM bulbs.


Yeah I know personally Iím done looking at LED bulbs cause they donít work! And if they do they are not error free even when they say they are! but it would be great if they were proper regulated upgrades...
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Re: 500 DRL upgrade

So would you fail an mot with them?
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So would you fail an mot with them?
DRLs aren't testable for vehicles first registered before 1 March 2018. However, and on a more general point, passing an MOT does not necessarily mean that a vehicle complies fully with all aspects of the construction and use regulations.

Headlights are a different proposition and fitting bulbs of a type different to those for which the headlamp unit is designed is both testable and a specific fail.

From the MOT Inspection manual:
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Headlights are a different proposition and fitting bulbs of a type different to those for which the headlamp unit is designed is both testable and a specific fail.

From the MOT Inspection manual:


I guess its all about the beam pattern with headlights.
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Re: 500 DRL upgrade

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Headlights are a different proposition and fitting bulbs of a type different to those for which the headlamp unit is designed is both testable and a specific fail.
So I've debated whether to add,
however here goes, I've "illegally" converted my appauling Mazda Halogen head lights to HID, I took photos of the beam pattern against the white garage door and placed masking tape on the garage door to show the cut off point which is very defined.
Have to say the difference is like night and day, the light pattern to the best of appearence is the same as is the cut off when comparing the pictures and tape on the door, it "should" be the same, the capsule and filament are in exactly the same position ?

The MOT tester couldn't tell they had been converted only when I asked him and let know after it passed, he said they pass because;
They could not be, "seen to have been converted" ( the ballast and external wiring is not visible)
The light pattern complies with the MOT spec
Headlamp washers are only required to work "where fitted"
There is a presumption that if the look different that "legal brighter bulbs" have been fitted as they are not allowed to remove covers etc.
The car has passed several MOT's since
The car, spec dependant originally came with either Halogen or HID as standard,

Note I do not suggest others follow my route as its not legal

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I guess its all about the beam pattern with headlights.
That's only part of it, albeit an important part. Having bulbs of a type for which the headlamp unit was not designed is a specific major defect and hence a fail.
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JR remove post if need be?
Not at all; we're mods, not traffic police, and it's feedback on what happens in the real world.

I won't condone anything illegal, but my view is that we're all grown up enough to decide for ourselves about whether we are going to comply with the strict letter of the regulations.

The MOT rules quite clearly say that headlamps must be inspected for unapproved HID conversions and failed if found. That said, as with all MOT inspection items, the tester is not allowed to dismantle anything and must give the benefit of any doubt if there is any uncertainty.
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Trust me, traffic police wouldnít give a stuff.
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Guys these 2016 halo drl would they fit in my 2011 gucci ? Anyone know if the wiring differs? I far prefer these to the regular ..
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Re: 500 DRL upgrade

There's a post "facelift bumper on 2009" which suggests they're(drl cluster) a different shape but not sure and I would bet you'll need to be creative with the wiring
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There's a post "facelift bumper on 2009" which suggests they're(drl cluster) a different shape but not sure and I would bet you'll need to be creative with the wiring


Oooh no Iím not great without instructions & then Iíd need to read em 8 times
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Wiring is for sure different, since the Halo LED rings replace the side light (the 5W filament thatīs currently in the twin 21/5W bulb). The design is a bit stupid anyway. Instead of using the LED ring as DRL and dim it for side light, they kept the additional (yellowish ) 21W bulb for the DRL.
Not sure about the high beam, I believe thereīs versions with H7 and others with H1...
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