General Paint problem on wheel arch

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General Paint problem on wheel arch

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I had my car washed today and was horrified to see that on both of the front wheel arches at the paint had come off about a square inch on both sides of the car, both sides identical. It was fresh metal was not rusting at this stage. Does anyone know if this is a common problem, i know fiats were called rust buckets years ago, but I thought things had improved. I've had fiat 126, Uno and a multipla, none did this. :mad:
 
I had my car washed today and was horrified to see that on both of the front wheel arches at the paint had come off about a square inch on both sides of the car, both sides identical. It was fresh metal was not rusting at this stage. Does anyone know if this is a common problem, i know fiats were called rust buckets years ago, but I thought things had improved. I've had fiat 126, Uno and a multipla, none did this. :mad:



Was it a car wash or hand wash? Sounds like a fault on a machine. There’s no problem with paint finishes.
 
It was car wash by foreign guys, who use jet wash thing. I normally wash by hand but thought I would treat myself. Wish I'd not bothered, £6.00 lighter and now requires a paint job, which I doubt they will help with
 
Both sides of ours has a area missing on the leading edge of the sill the body is galvanised so rusting should not be much of an issue ours is 10 years old
Thanks for that, at least it's not going to rust, it's just very disappointing that it's pealed off like it has, I'm not sure that it should have and not sure whether to inform fiat and see what they say?
 
It was car wash by foreign guys, who use jet wash thing. I normally wash by hand but thought I would treat myself. Wish I'd not bothered, £6.00 lighter and now requires a paint job, which I doubt they will help with
One of the small garages I worked in had a quite comprehensive car wash set up complete with a spectacular chassis wash which consisted of high pressure jets buried in the run up to the wash itself. If you chose the chassis wash option, in addition to one of the wash options, these sprays (capable of projecting water about 2 stories high if no car was over them) would activate shortly after you pressed the "go" button and you slowly drove over them on your approach to the wash. There was always bits of underseal lying about this area!

The car wash area was often a very entertaining area to watch with drowned engines, (this was when cars had points type ignitions) Radio aerials, windscreen wiper blades and even door handles being ripped off (door handles, conveniently for the machine, stuck out in those days - remember the old mini handles?). Even if no obvious damage was inflicted it was interesting to look closely at the paintwork of any vehicle which used the wash frequently - convinced me to never go near one.

I am also a believer in hand washing. I bought a two bucket washing system just after I bought my new Ibiza. 2 large buckets with dirt barriers in the bottom. A couple of noodle type washing mitts. Big and nice wee alloy wheel brushes and a couple of seamless microfibre drying cloths. I always wet the car first to loosen dirt and then, maybe ten minutes later, hose down with mains pressure water to loosen grit and bigger bits of dirt. Then the two bucket system. One (labeled Wash) contains diluted car shampoo the other (labeled Rinse) clean water. The noodle mitt goes into the wash bucket and then you wash a small area of the car. Next into the rinse bucket for a wee "shuggle" to let the grit drop to the bottom and clean the noodles then back into the wash bucket to pick up clean shampoo water. Work from top to bottom and front to back. So you are working always cleaner areas first then towards the dirtiest (like sills and tailgate). Then a general rinse with the hose nozzle set to a medium spray. Sounds complicated but once you get into it it's actually quite quick and 3 years down the road "Twinkle" (the Ibiza) is still sparkling! It's amazing how much gritty residue ends up in the bottom of the rinse button. Without this system these little bits of grit would be staying in the washing mitt and inflicting minute scratches in the paintwork.

I watch, with horror, my neighbour who turns his pressure washer on the car about once a month, if it's lucky, as he blasts high pressure water into every orifice - Radiator grill (goodness knows what damage that's doing to fins etc) heater air intake around the wipers (bet that water finds it's way over ECU's etc) Into door panel gaps (probably washing the lub off the hinges and locks) Oh dear I could go on couldn't I?
 
How old is the car?
2013, 500C, it's a great little car and I've looked after it so am devastated to see the missing square inch of paint in just behind both front wheel arches on the horizontal sides of the car, I thought it must be a paintwork issue for it to be identical both sides
 
Wow, I'm going to adopt your cleaning regime, never will I let them massacre my car again
 
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One of the small garages I worked in had a quite comprehensive car wash set up complete with a spectacular chassis wash which consisted of high pressure jets buried in the run up to the wash itself. If you chose the chassis wash option, in addition to one of the wash options, these sprays (capable of projecting water about 2 stories high if no car was over them) would activate shortly after you pressed the "go" button and you slowly drove over them on your approach to the wash. There was always bits of underseal lying about this area!

The car wash area was often a very entertaining area to watch with drowned engines, (this was when cars had points type ignitions) Radio aerials, windscreen wiper blades and even door handles being ripped off (door handles, conveniently for the machine, stuck out in those days - remember the old mini handles?). Even if no obvious damage was inflicted it was interesting to look closely at the paintwork of any vehicle which used the wash frequently - convinced me to never go near one.

I am also a believer in hand washing. I bought a two bucket washing system just after I bought my new Ibiza. 2 large buckets with dirt barriers in the bottom. A couple of noodle type washing mitts. Big and nice wee alloy wheel brushes and a couple of seamless microfibre drying cloths. I always wet the car first to loosen dirt and then, maybe ten minutes later, hose down with mains pressure water to loosen grit and bigger bits of dirt. Then the two bucket system. One (labeled Wash) contains diluted car shampoo the other (labeled Rinse) clean water. The noodle mitt goes into the wash bucket and then you wash a small area of the car. Next into the rinse bucket for a wee "shuggle" to let the grit drop to the bottom and clean the noodles then back into the wash bucket to pick up clean shampoo water. Work from top to bottom and front to back. So you are working always cleaner areas first then towards the dirtiest (like sills and tailgate). Then a general rinse with the hose nozzle set to a medium spray. Sounds complicated but once you get into it it's actually quite quick and 3 years down the road "Twinkle" (the Ibiza) is still sparkling! It's amazing how much gritty residue ends up in the bottom of the rinse button. Without this system these little bits of grit would be staying in the washing mitt and inflicting minute scratches in the paintwork.

I watch, with horror, my neighbour who turns his pressure washer on the car about once a month, if it's lucky, as he blasts high pressure water into every orifice - Radiator grill (goodness knows what damage that's doing to fins etc) heater air intake around the wipers (bet that water finds it's way over ECU's etc) Into door panel gaps (probably washing the lub off the hinges and locks) Oh dear I could go on couldn't I?
Wow, I'm going to adopt your cleaning regime, I will not let them massacre my car again
 
If it’s on the front lower edge of the wheel arch it’s probably sand blasted by road dirt. Touch it in and apply a clear tape protection. The front edge of the bodywork behind the doors suffer too.
 
I only came across these two bucket wash systems by mistake when I was looking, wishfully, at pressure washers. So, as I've posted about it above I thought you might like to see what I bought:

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The buckets, grit barriers, and the blue drying cloths were bought on line from Autobrite. The rest came from Halfords. The grit guards are the big feature, this gives you a good idea of what it is:

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And this of how it looks (the blue one) fitted in the bottom of the bucket:

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The buckets are quite big 18 litres/5 US gal. I find filling them about 2/3 is enough to "lug" about. But you should not let them get too empty when using as the idea is not to disturb the sediment that goes to roost under the grit guards. I find that one fill is quite enough if the car is just "summer dirty" but with "winter dirt" I often do a change of water half way through.

By the way, having looked extensively into pressure washers I've decided I'm going to save up for a Kranzle - probably an HD 7/122. This will take me a wee while so in the meantime I'm buying a Clarke CWG2 as I have a compressor which can drive it. It's first job will be washing down Becky's rear axle, when a warmish day comes along, prior to giving it some anti rust protection.
 
I only came across these two bucket wash systems by mistake when I was looking, wishfully, at pressure washers. So, as I've posted about it above I thought you might like to see what I bought:

How tall are your buckets?

I had an old 5 gallon bucket for years and I replaced it with a new one... but the new one is so huge it doesn't fit in the kitchen sink (or rather, it's too tall for the tap to clear the top rim, so I can't fill it in the sink.

I need a big bucket that's no more than about 50cm (I'll check the size of the old one) high.


Ralf S.
 
This is where the paint is missing on ours

My Stilo has the same problem, albeit that's had various re-painting over it's 15 years on Earth.

I think the metal being galvanised makes it more tricky to get paint to adhere. Mind you, in the old days the paint never fell off.. but the metal that it was attached to would.


Ralf S.
 
How tall are your buckets? Ralf S.

The buckets themselves are a "smidgeon" under 14 inches tall (is that 350 mm?) My tap is 15 inches from sink bottom to water out let. So I'm lucky, they just fit:

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However before our kitchen makeover with it's fancy new tap, there would have been no chance of getting them under the old taps. If I fill them quite full, by the time I've carried them from the kitchen, out the back door, round the side of the house to the front and then done it again with the second bucket, I need a sit down and have a cup of tea before starting to do the washing! (I'm 72)
 
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