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Old 29-12-2018   #16
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Re: Is The 105 TA Engine Still Available?

So use a small(er) car. I do 100 miles a day in my MiTo, would happily do 300+ in it. I'm assuming it's just you, an overnight bag and a laptop and that you're not carting around crates of equipment or you'd be using a van.
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So use a small(er) car. I do 100 miles a day in my MiTo, would happily do 300+ in it. I'm assuming it's just you, an overnight bag and a laptop and that you're not carting around crates of equipment or you'd be using a van.
Been there, done that.

My last company car was a 120d, in an attempt to save money on tax.

The novelty of a 'warm hatch' very soon wore off. (and you wouldn't believe how much it costs to spec. up a smaller, cheaper car to the same levels that you get as standard in a more expensive car... £34k on a 1-series diesel is almost enough to buy a 5 series, which comes with all those options as standard)

But we're side-tracking the discussion now! Sorry!
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have just used the configurators and the 595 is £1k more than the 85TA Lounge now, if there was a 105 they would be the same price!
This is ridiculous! Why such strange prices in the UK?

Below a comparison of the prices shown by the Dutch configurators:
500S TA80 = €19395 = £17481
500S TA105 = €20395 = £18382
595 = €25795 = £23249

I selected the 500S instead of the 500 Lounge, because the 500 Lounge is not available with TA105 in my country.
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Re: Is The 105 TA Engine Still Available?

List price here in the UK
500s with 85hp TA is £14960
Standard 145hp Abarth 595 is £15980

A quick check on some of the discount sites and it seems that the Abarth can be had for around £14500.


Carwow has thrown up a 145hp 595 at £14400 and includes £500 Podium Blue paint option.
Another at £14028 on a PCP.
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There are always pre reg base abarths with 10 miles on the clock, choice of colours from £12900 , the 165bhp turismo 68 plate ,10 miles, with black leather seats is £15500, damn thats a nice car, makes me want one, really need to stay off autotrader.
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Re: Is The 105 TA Engine Still Available?

I still try to understand. Is the TA so expensive or is the 595 so cheap in the UK?

A 595 COMPETIZIONE is in the UK cheaper than an entry level 595 in my country. In my country 595 COMPETIZIONE prices start at €33395 = £29981.

Is there no CO2 based sales tax in the UK?
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Is there no CO2 based sales tax in the UK?
Not on sales, but we pay an annual "road fund license" which differs based on CO2 emissions. For what it's worth, the TA105's emissions are so low (or at least they were in 2014 for my wife's TA) that the RFL is free. I don't know what the RFL is on a 595, but it's not £15k per year so it's still cheaper here
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Not on sales, but we pay an annual "road fund license" which differs based on CO2 emissions. For what it's worth, the TA105's emissions are so low (or at least they were in 2014 for my wife's TA) that the RFL is free. I don't know what the RFL is on a 595, but it's not £15k per year so it's still cheaper here
Currently its £140 per year on a 595...
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Currently its £140 per year on a 595...
In the UK, the tax on new cars is based on emissions for the first year only.

Thereafter, it's £140pa on any petrol or diesel car first registered after 1st April 2017 with a list price under £40,000.

The tax treatment of cars registered before 1st April 2017 but after Feb 2001 is completely different, and there is substantial variation based on emissions.

You will pay a lot more tax on a new TA than on a a used one registered before 1/1/17.
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I know. I can't afford to replace my 5-series with another 5-series when the time comes, as the monthly tax bill could buy me a Sei Sporting every month!

In fairness, I do 35k miles a year on company business, often driving 300+ miles in a day, with meetings in-between the driving...

I'd love to run a big Alfa or Fiat, but we don't have the option of an Alfa and Fiat just don't make big cars anymore.
Got to ask: where did the dumb obsession with "prestige" company cars come from? As I understand, at 1 point, the company car driver would've been very happy to have been given a decent spec Mondeo or Vectra/Insignia. Where did it all go wrong?!
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Got to ask: where did the dumb obsession with "prestige" company cars come from? As I understand, at 1 point, the company car driver would've been very happy to have been given a decent spec Mondeo or Vectra/Insignia. Where did it all go wrong?!
Residuals. We've removed Ford from our company car choices... but when they were on there, a Mondeo Titanium cost more to lease than a 520d SE. Granted, the Ford had some toys the BMW didn't, but the Ford was cheap and nasty in comparison - a lot less refined, and thirsty like you wouldn't believe! (I had a Mondeo rental for a few weeks and it returned 34mpg in 2.2 diesel auto form, whilst the 520d returns 48mpg!) - and the mainstream never really caught onto the emissions tests - Mondeos were all at least one tax band higher, unless you went with a poverty 1.6 diesel.

(There's also customer perception - you have to balance flash vs credibility and when you're negotiating deals worth tens of million, you don't want someone turning up in a recession white Vauxhall on plastic wheel trims!)
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I see! I suppose as everyone now drives snobmobiles, anyone with a more modestly priced car will stand out.
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You will pay a lot more tax on a new TA than on a a used one registered before 1/1/17.
A lot more? In my opinion these first year car taxes are close to nothing. Using the link you provided earlier I found the following rates:
  • 500S TA85 - CO2 = 106 g/km - first year car tax = £145
  • 500S 1.2 - CO2 = 122 g/km - first year car tax = £165
  • 595 - CO2 = 151 g/km - first year car tax = £515

OK, the first year car tax for the 595 might seem high, but even £515 is a bargain. The Dutch CO2 based sales tax called BPM is much higher:
  • CO2 = 106 g/km - BMP = €3383 = £3041
  • CO2 = 122 g/km - BPM = €5479 = £4925
  • CO2 = 151 g/km - BPM = €12854 = £11554
Now I understand why people in the UK can switch so easily from a 500 with TA to a 595.
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I see! I suppose as everyone now drives snobmobiles, anyone with a more modestly priced car will stand out.
Nope. MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have my 3 series than a Mundaneo or a Poxhall Insignia.

You’ve obviously got some sort of chip on your shoulder about anyone driving anything nicer than a Punto, drive some better cars and maybe you’ll get it then.
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Nope. MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have my 3 series than a Mundaneo or a Poxhall Insignia.
I looked at the 3 and 4 Gran Coupe, but they're cheap and nasty compared with a 5 - despite costing much the same money.
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