Hello,

New to posting but have been lurking a while - originally because I was looking at Panda 100s. Anyway, my partner has a 500 and noticed that there was oil where it shouldn't be underneath. I've got limited skill with cars (in that I can service them and that's about it). I've searched the forums, YouTube etc. etc. and can't quite get the answer I need (there's a lot of responses asking people if they've searched the forum which is infuriating as that's what I have been doing but I digress...).



This turned out not to be a problem with the (what I think is) CV boot and I've read there is a seal/gasket here but that appears okay if you look where it meets what I think is the gearbox.

I got under the car this evening and saw this:



Looked again through the top and saw this:



So, I'm thinking it's basically the problem described in the thread below as a leak from the selector shaft. Would be good to confirm this before going ahead and trying to sort it. There appear to be two rods in the pic above and not sure which one is which... Alternatively, we just pay to get it done, any help with idea on cost would be helpful.

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/439305-gear-oil-leak-selector-shaft.html

Seal here:
https://www.fiatdalys.lt/en/catalog/parts/212/7/0/2/2U/188.140.4.0/ZFA18800000711928/0/0/0/transmission-and-differential-unit-casing-and-covers

Many thanks in advance! :worship:

Yes, looks like the same problem. To replace the seal you have to stick the beast in neutral and then remove the Selector.. which is on the top/rear part of the gearbox and held in with 5 bolts. The cables will have to be popped off to remove the selector from the car.

If the seal is a fiver.. I'd guess (not having the books) that this is a 1 - 1.5 hours job... so maybe £100 depending on what your friendly local mechanix charges.


Ralf S.

Thanks for your reply. In the post I linked to it mentions the slave cylinder. Is this going to require moving then? Wondering if it may be too big a job or not. On the one hand seems simple but on the other hand moving lots of (or some) things doesn't sound great.

ugh! so I think I have some seepage from my gear selector shaft! was under the car today and noticed oil on the cv joint..... traced it up and can clearly see where its coming from
its not much not enough to get on to my undertray but maybe its just started and its been burning off on the hot gearbox? any advice chaps? seen a few threads on other fiats is it a similar fix? what part do I need to fix?

You sure it's from the selector shaft it's right at the top of the gearbox I have a slight leakage from the drive shaft seals but not an issue.
Use some brake cleaner(dry cleaning fluid, by the way) to clean it up and monitor?

Really hard to see but this is the gear selector shaft there is definitely oil on it though no seepage as yet
Wish I’d taken a pic before I wiped it off gearbox ect basically is there supposed to be oil or lubricant on this shaft or not?

Hi - worth getting a roll pin part no. 14164070 as well as the seal as you will need to tap the pin out to dismantle the selector assembly. And a bottle of Loctite 510 to seal up the selector assembly when putting it back on.

Nick

puntodeltathema said:

Hi - worth getting a roll pin part no. 14164070 as well as the seal as you will need to tap the pin out to dismantle the selector assembly. And a bottle of Loctite 510 to seal up the selector assembly when putting it back on.

Nick

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Thanks Nick that’s decent of you! I’ve defo got a leak very small but still! Any ideas where I would get the pin from I had a hard time locating the original seals as it is!

Anyone got any ideas as to what kind of roll pin I would need for the selector assembly? I won’t know till I’ve taken it apart and obviously I would need a new one to replace before I re fit failing this I’ll have to re use the original as long as I do not break the original
If I do I’m screwed

Hi - so this is maybe one for your local friendly Fiat main dealer, if you have such a thing. There is an older number for the same part which is 55253917- also worth trying. Strictly I think they come in packs of 20 but a good dealer will help.

Allcarpartsfast.co.uk is showing them available singly (search on FIAT 55253917).

If you get stuck give me a shout by PM as I have a friendly main dealer parts counter (Lipscomb in Maidstone) for odd bits like this and they are very helpful, unlike some. Happy to drop one in the post.

Nick

Actually I still have the old pin from doing this job on a 500 the other week. It appears to be M4 x 22mm. Available as a generic part on the likes of eBay if you search for "Stainless steel slotted spring tension pins" or "Sellock roll pins".

Nick

Thanks so much Nick I’ll do some research and see what I can find! If not I’ll message you
Thank you for your help I really appreciate it!

puntodeltathema said:

Hi - so this is maybe one for your local friendly Fiat main dealer, if you have such a thing. There is an older number for the same part which is 55253917- also worth trying. Strictly I think they come in packs of 20 but a good dealer will help.

Allcarpartsfast.co.uk is showing them available singly (search on FIAT 55253917).

If you get stuck give me a shout by PM as I have a friendly main dealer parts counter (Lipscomb in Maidstone) for odd bits like this and they are very helpful, unlike some. Happy to drop one in the post.

Nick

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I’ve ordered multiple of these pins from the above parts website so hopefully they will have them I’ll update the thread once parts come and I’m on with the job ?

I think you will have a bit of work to do in order to get the pin out because you cannot rotate the shaft so you have full access only on one side of the pin. At least, I had a little bit of work to do when I've changed that seal on my Punto.
If it helps, the way I managed to get it out was to use a self made pin punch out of a wood screw, I think I cut the tip of it, if you have a small one that would fit, use that. So I pushed the pin from down outside using that little pin punch.

And yes, that seal is what you need to change and the oil won't leak anymore. It is oil from the gearbox, by the way.

Thanks Mike
Yeah I’m sure it’s no walk in the park either! Thanks for the tip it really does help!!

So still waiting for my pins the new seal and sealant has come incidentally when I asked my garage (whom did my gearbox n clutch) last August about my warranty they said it’s not under warranty as it’s not the gearbox! Not to be dense it’s my understanding it’s bolted to the top it’s the gear selector for gods sake!! If I were to buy a recon gearbox one comes bolted to the top!!

I’m not bothered either way as I’m happy to fix myself plus I know I will have done everything correct and meticulously it just doesn’t feel right them telling me that!
Are they right or am I? Just for arguments sake ?

Well, it definitely is part of the gearbox. So I would say you are right.
But nowadays, their attitude fits the way things have turned to.
It is an easy fix, they would have done great if they would take care of it and asking you to pay for the parts only. You would have been satisfied and I suppose you would have contact them if you'll be in need of mechanical fixes. I assume, with their response, you will not hurry up to call them again.
On the plus side, as you've said, it is a good thing that you cand fix it yourself, it's always good when you can fix what you own and you don't have to depend on others, and you will be indeed happy with the fix, after you do it yourself.
And I tried to see the garage's point of view also, thinking it does take time and even if it is an easy fix you will keep occupied one of their mechanics and he could do greater and more expensive fixes in that time, but I really can't agree with that as this fix, for a good mechanic, should take very little time.

It’s funny you know some guys don’t seem to be able to grasp that a woman can actually fix stuff on her own car! “My local mechanic” case & point! I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to moan when they loose screws from my car!! Their passé fare attitude pisses me off! Trouble is it’s almost every garage up north!!!!

No wonder I’ve started taking care of my car myself!!

Baglady1990 said:

It’s funny you know some guys don’t seem to be able to grasp that a woman can actually fix stuff on her own car! “My local mechanic” case & point! I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to moan when they loose screws from my car!! Their passé fare attitude pisses me off! Trouble is it’s almost every garage up north!!!!

No wonder I’ve started taking care of my car myself!!

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100% behind you! when I was training basic car mechanics courses we very seldom got female trainees on the courses but when you did by golly they were good! I'd love to see more women in garage workshops and engineering in general - I'm immensely proud of my daughter who is a fully qualified Civil Engineer - Not sure if it's the mucky image or the male dominated environment which puts folk off?

Anyway, good luck with the selector seal. I did the one on my boy's 2012 Punto 1.4 Easy and it's really not bad to do. The only thing which worried me slightly was that there are two hollow dowels which locate the cover to the gearbox main casing and I was worried they might fall out into the gearbox as I was removing the top. In the event they were both stuck fast in the cover and stayed there throughout the whole job. From videos I've seen they all seem to be like this so I don't think it's an issue. The other thing is that the roll pin can be very tight, mine was. There is enough room behind the shaft to simply punch it all the way through and out the other side into the cover cavity for recovery later (or just turn the cover upside down and let it drop out) You can't get at it from the back so reinstalling it has to be done from the same side as when removing it. Years ago I bought a set of dedicated roll pin punches which I keep strictly for doing roll pins so they don't come out very often and I must say they do work well:





There's an excellent guide in the Punto section of the forum which you can view here: https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto-guides/461989-guide-renewing-gear-shifter-seal.html

Unfortunately Becky, our Panda, is also leaking slightly from here so that'll be a wee job to do once I've done the rear brakes and done some rust suppression on her rear axle. Although it looks very messy I don't find I really have to do any substantial topping up so it's on the back burner for now.

My local dealer's spares department is extremely helpful - very large national group - I bought the seal and roll pin from them and they were happy to supply just one of each. In fact they had the seal in stock but had to order the roll pin - I suspect they would just reuse the roll pin and I think you'd have no problems if you did that (I'd be judging how firm a fit the used pin was as I drove it back in, maybe with a little red Loctite for extra peace of mind?)