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Re: Why Twinair never really worked

For anyone who is interested, the Twinair is now back on the Fiat configurator. Presumably WLTP testing is now done, quoted mpg is now 60, which is at least acheivable with care.
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For anyone who is interested, the Twinair is now back on the Fiat configurator. Presumably WLTP testing is now done, quoted mpg is now 60, which is at least acheivable with care.
I did say, but no one ever listens to me!
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I did! Several manufacturers temporarily deleted some models from their configurators, the WLTP testing facilities have been a bit overwhelmed. Only the 85 model is there at present, we'll see if the 105 reappears in due course.
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One thing that puts me off the TA is it's complexity. They can be extremely hard to troubleshoot and experience is thin on the ground for these.
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Quote Originally Posted by wardpaa View Post
One thing that puts me off the TA is it's complexity. They can be extremely hard to troubleshoot and experience is thin on the ground for these.
Wait 'til you have a problematic HYBRID..
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Wait 'til you have a problematic HYBRID..
Yep, nightmare.
The fact for me is that a 500 is supposed to a no frills cheap method of transport. Simplicity/ low running costs make up a big part of that.
The diesel variant should be the best option but the re-gen issues kick that option out. I don't believe you do get a DPF/ECU delete now due to the new MOT standards.
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Quote Originally Posted by wardpaa View Post
Yep, nightmare.
The fact for me is that a 500
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supposed to a no frills cheap method of transport. Simplicity/ low running costs
I think you'll find the modern equivalent of a 2 cyl 650cc Italian bulit car.
Has 5 doors and a Panda badge stuck on in Poland.

If they made an £8k uno that met modern standards..

Something tells me they would sell quite well.
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I think you'll find the modern equivalent of a 2 cyl 650cc Italian bulit car.
Has 5 doors and a Panda badge stuck on in Poland.

If they made an £8k uno that met modern standards..

Something tells me they would sell quite well.
The Panda is supposed to have zero NCAP rating now. Is that why they can make them so cheaply - reuse of old design platforms?
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Wait 'til you have a problematic HYBRID..
Whatís so complicated about hybrids? The electric pet of a hybrid is so ridiculously simple itís not funny.
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Quote Originally Posted by wardpaa View Post
The Panda is supposed to have zero NCAP rating now. Is that why they can make them so cheaply - reuse of old design platforms?
In 2002 they did a fair job.

Not having the foresight to add things that were not invented 'til 2012 wasnt that big a failing.. at the time
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Whatís so complicated about hybrids? The electric pet of a hybrid is so ridiculously simple itís not funny.
You COULD say that about ePAS..

But the number of posts on here each week may mean we dont believe you..
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Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post
You COULD say that about ePAS..

But the number of posts on here each week may mean we dont believe you..
Quite different systems though and how many people in the 500 forum have actually needed to replace an EPAS unit?
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Quite different systems though and how many people in the 500 forum have actually needed to replace an EPAS unit?
I thought that as its the only original part left on my car.
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Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post
In 2002 they did a fair job.

Not having the foresight to add things that were not invented 'til 2012 wasnt that big a failing.. at the time
In 2003 they did a cracking job. But I canít think of many companies are still using a platform/architecture from 2003 that isnít heavily heavily modified or hasnít been replaced once or twice since then.

The VW Golf for instance has gone through 3 versions in this time and will have a new version next year. The Mk7 golf you can buy today is far removed from the Mk5 that debuted in 2003. The Panda is very much like the Panda you could buy in 2003...
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Re: Why Twinair never really worked

To be honest I have not had ePAS trouble either.. but its a recurring theme in most days forum traffic.

And

Our 2004 panda has been so good..over 14 years of ownership.. it gave me the confidence to buy my twinair..

Also been very good.
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