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Old 23-08-2018   #196
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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You continuously repeat your assumptions about legislation, although you clearly don't have a clue.
Where have I even posted any assumption about legislation?
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I might be geographically stereotyping "the dutch" here...but would that be "the dutch" as in people who live in the flattest country in Europe?

Hills don't half make a difference to fuel economy..
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I’m fairly certain I’m right in saying you’ve not sat in with 53 drivers of one specific car and analysed their driving habits.
You are right, but at least 15% from the 53 drivers from this list were members of the long gone Dutch 500 forum. That were exactly the people who told me a lot about their driving habits, very different driving habits. And to be honest, I didn't exploit the TA's capability to coast in gear seemingly endlessly until one of those 53 drivers who told me about it.

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Where have I even posted any assumption about legislation?
Well, you wrote several incorrect things about legislation, but I think you assumed to be right. Therefore it were assumptions, my friend.

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I might be geographically stereotyping "the dutch" here...but would that be "the dutch" as in people who live in the flattest country in Europe?
However, because most of the country is below sea level, we have an awful lot of very short hills called dikes. If you add all these hills together, then you have Mount Everest.
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However, because most of the country is below sea level, we have an awful lot of very short hills called dikes. If you add all these hills together, then you have Mount Everest.
Perhaps..however I sincerely doubt any of the dutch cars ever encountered anything like my commute..which is 2 miles flat, followed/preceded by 4 miles in which you gain/lose 550 feet of altitude and .5 mile of gaining/losing 150 feet altitude. Downhill sections "coasting in gear" translates to "riding the brakes all the way down using energy to heat the wheel arches" and uphill well it's all 60mph so in a 85bhp TA you'll be taking big bites of the pedal on the right just to keep up with traffic.

Will say my wife's turbo diesel and turbo petrols have struggled to get anywhere near their figures with this usage, strangely my naturally aspirated car gets within 2.5 mpg of the official figure doing it though.

Now I understand everyone lives where they live and has their own commute..Fairly sure with Andy's figures his commute is a lot flatter than mine and at a steady speed. But it might not be people being careless when driving, it could be people live places where a small turbo engine is heavily on boost for several miles at a time.
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Well, you wrote several incorrect things about legislation, but I think you assumed to be right. Therefore it were assumptions, my friend.
[SARCASM] oh well that told me, how could I have been so silly [/SARCASM]
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Let's return to the videos that were the starting-point of this discussion. In the video below the same guy explains the water-cooled exhaust manifold of a Volkswagen engine.


His explanation is again very thorough and clear. With a water-cooled exhaust manifold the engine warms up much quicker and there is no longer a need to use extremely low air/fuel ratios at high loads. Both improve fuel economy a lot. Unfortunately the guy doesn't seem to realise, that at the time he put this video on Youtube, such manifolds were already common practice on small turbocharged petrol engines of all car manufacturers.

FIAT introduced the water-cooled exhaust manifold on the 105 hp TA engine of the 500L in 2013 and all Euro 6 TA engines that followed have such a manifold as well.

So in my opinion the title of this thread should at least have been: Why the Euro 5 TA never really worked.
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Am I the only one who thinks that this thread has become entertaining for all the wrong reasons, certainly a lot of willy waving...
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Am I the only one who thinks that this thread has become entertaining for all the wrong reasons, certainly a lot of willy waving...
World smallest capacity wily waving competition. Just remember length of time spent in the driving seat depends on how fast your trying to get to the end goal.

Damn just remembered I got really bad fuel consumption and premature destination...
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So if I'm following this right, those that don't have willies are complaining about those that do.

Sounds about right.
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Think Iíll sell mine, it drinks juice and itís not even any fun to drive, what was I thinking? I feel an i10 coming on.......

Lol! I'd have sold you our 3 year old i10 but we just chopped it in for a new Suzuki Vitara SZ-T 1.6 petrol which is rather unbelievably giving more back in mpg in daily use than the 1.2 i10 did and definitely more mpg than the TA we used to own.


I do remember our old TA with affection though. It did sound great roaring off down the road in it, but I too was thoroughly disappointed with the real world mpg figure.
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So if I'm following this right, those that don't have willies are complaining about those that do.

Sounds about right.
Not complaining fella, making an observation.
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More than likely.

A 1litre 120hp engine in a 500 would be great fun, however I suspect it might be a bit detuned for the 500?

ďand the turbo units also feature Gasoline Particle Filters (GPF)Ē oh dear, thatís going to be fun for anyone who makes short trips
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So if I'm following this right, those that don't have willies are complaining about those that do.
Do you mean, those that don't have a TA are complaining about those that do?

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ďand the turbo units also feature Gasoline Particle Filters (GPF)Ē oh dear, thatís going to be fun for anyone who makes short trips
Short trips are no problem at all. It's the time between them that is.
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