It could be a sensor, but my money is still on oil viscosity - when temperatures drop to freezing levels, friction from even an 0W oil will increase significantly; and that's before we start talking about the effect of the higher viscosity oil on the hydraulic valvegear.
I wonder how much additional testing Fiat did on the 105TA in subzero temperatures?
Not a problem today, thankfully - it's a most pleasing 21C this afternoon in Bournemouth
It could be a sensor, but my money is still on oil viscosity - when temperatures drop to freezing levels, friction from even an 0W oil will increase significantly; and that's before we start talking about the effect of the higher viscosity oil on the hydraulic valvegear.
I wonder how much additional testing Fiat did on the 105TA in subzero temperatures?
Not a problem today, thankfully - it's a most pleasing 21C this afternoon in Bournemouth
Lol yes this is why i believe its got to be a sensor whether the fault shows up or not ,as you can see from both our videoes the mileage on yours and mine were below 5000 miles the temperature is always the problem if left outside overnight and its below 5c it did not start first time 6 out of 10 times sometimes more .It must mainly affect the 105 mainly i loved the little thing but after 2 dealerships had the car for a combined total of over 2 weeks and both said there is nothing we can do the fault does not repilicate etc no faults on the computer or im fibbing which i knew i wasnt i bit the bullet and sold her !,i even sent the video to Fiat hq via a customer services agent ,maybe they are now realising there is actually a problem which is great for you i hope .
P.S i did not use the air con on start up .
). I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you must be mad to get an Abarth and stick with a Fiat Group brand I would agree with you as well, it does seem to be some sort of temperature-related sensor issue. What that issue may be is anyone's guess, but that would seem to figure with the car firing up and then gradually dropping the revs until it dies. Almost seems like it is starved of fuel, maybe because of a difference between the actual air temperature and what the ECU/sensor in question thinks it is? I wish I knew!
There is an intriguing thread on the Panda 2012 section with a guy in Australia who has a 1.2; when doing the first cold start it will fart its way into life and then run like an utter bag of spanners. However, turn it off and restart it and it works just like normal; just see the video:
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/437378-panda-1-2-cold-starting-problem-2.html
Post 24 on that thread from series2a may just possibly be of use here though as an alternative suggestion?
What I find particularly sad from your story here is that you in particular have been treated disgracefully (knowing from your time on here that you have had LOADS of Fiats
I would agree with you as well, it does seem to be some sort of temperature-related sensor issue. What that issue may be is anyone's guess, but that would seem to figure with the car firing up and then gradually dropping the revs until it dies. Almost seems like it is starved of fuel, maybe because of a difference between the actual air temperature and what the ECU/sensor in question thinks it is? I wish I knew!
There is an intriguing thread on the Panda 2012 section with a guy in Australia who has a 1.2; when doing the first cold start it will fart its way into life and then run like an utter bag of spanners. However, turn it off and restart it and it works just like normal; just see the video:
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/437378-panda-1-2-cold-starting-problem-2.html
Post 24 on that thread from series2a may just possibly be of use here though as an alternative suggestion?
What I find particularly sad from your story here is that you in particular have been treated disgracefully (knowing from your time on here that you have had LOADS of Fiats
So it appears my new car has been ordered as a 105hp - should I be worried?
I've asked for it to be changed on the system but the guy seems to think that can't be done (order not yet fixed as far as I can tell)...
Fiat (Dealership) Made an error with our car, and managed to change it... As for if you should be ordering one, chances of it having a problem are low, just because a few have an issue doesn't mean you will, however I guess we didn't find out the issue until it was winter and cold. Any issue will be covered under warranty as someone else has stated. I wouldn't have another twin air but that's due to poor experiences in dealing with the issues the car has had in 18 months (not just relating to the cold start issue) You are in the same area as us too, I wonder if it is the same dealership.So it appears my new car has been ordered as a 105hp - should I be worried?
I've asked for it to be changed on the system but the guy seems to think that can't be done (order not yet fixed as far as I can tell)...
