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Does anyone pay much attention to the special edition fiat 500 abaths that are launched but seemingly no one hears about?

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The Ferrari edition, 2011 MY, limited numbers, some Ferrari stickers, fancy wheels and brembo brakes but essentially a standard abarth essesse under the skin.

Still swapping hand for £22 - 30k


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Then there is the Maserati edition

Again, it has fancy wheels and breaks, electronic gearbox and some fancy leather seats but still not really much above a normal abarth 500c 180hp selling for around £30k

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The 695 Biposto 190hp huge intercooler, lots of titanium bits and some carbon fibre, and this thing is £37k ! (Normal list price £32k and up to £50k with the options available) Which is getting into Porsche Boxster money !

I don't think I've seen any of these cars on the road, I have to ask who would spend £32k on a fiat 500 when a standard abarth is nearly half that with only 10bhp less ?

How are fiat justifying these cars especially the costs, and would you really buy one if you had the money, or would you save many pounds and get the normal abarth version ?

Just to add, fiats main rival mini do the mini hatch JCW for £23k with 228hp, it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60mph (because it's fat) but has a much higher top speed and some actual comfort with is completely lacking from the stripped out 500.

Compared to the original hot hatch the golf r which is also £30k but comes with nearly 300hp, is much quicker than the 500, has All wheel drive and a multitude of electronic gadgetry to get you off the line and is much more refined and luxurious, why would anyone buy the 500 Biposto at all?
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Does anyone pay much attention to the special edition fiat 500 abaths that are launched but seemingly no one hears about?

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The Ferrari edition, 2011 MY, limited numbers, some Ferrari stickers, fancy wheels and brembo brakes but essentially a standard abarth essesse under the skin.

Still swapping hand for £22 - 30k


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Then there is the Maserati edition

Again, it has fancy wheels and breaks, electronic gearbox and some fancy leather seats but still not really much above a normal abarth 500c 180hp selling for around £30k

Most recently this has appeared
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The 695 Biposto 190hp huge intercooler, lots of titanium bits and some carbon fibre, and this thing is £37k ! (Normal list price £32k and up to £50k with the options available) Which is getting into Porsche Boxster money !

I don't think I've seen any of these cars on the road, I have to ask who would spend £32k on a fiat 500 when a standard abarth is nearly half that with only 10bhp less ?

How are fiat justifying these cars especially the costs, and would you really buy one if you had the money, or would you save many pounds and get the normal abarth version ?

Just to add, fiats main rival mini do the mini hatch JCW for £23k with 228hp, it's 0.2 seconds slower to 60mph (because it's fat) but has a much higher top speed and some actual comfort with is completely lacking from the stripped out 500.

Compared to the original hot hatch the golf r which is also £30k but comes with nearly 300hp, is much quicker than the 500, has All wheel drive and a multitude of electronic gadgetry to get you off the line and is much more refined and luxurious, why would anyone buy the 500 Biposto at all?
One would think that if they didn't sell, FIAT wouldn't keep putting them out there. In any case, I suppose if they get the punters through the door and they subsequently leave with a Pop then it's mission accomplished.

I always prefer something that's a bit 'different' so I rather like them (except perhaps for the 'Gucci') but I have to agree, the prices are just silly.
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Wasn't there the version with the roll cage in as well? The ones that all the celebrities signed. I think James Martin has his name on one.

I personally like the look of the special editions but I don't think they warrant the price tag.

I actually know someone with the Maserati edition but it sits in his garage, he wants to keep it concourse. It looks gorgeous in the flesh but I personally think it needs to be driven
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Found it

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Found it

200bhp

Was this actually a fiat produced car? In the early days lots of people tweeted and tuned the abarth to get a few extra Bhp and I suspect this might be one of them
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It was yeah

Was back in 2008. It was about 50 grand when it was released iirc. They made 49 of them and different celebs signed the dash. It's called the assetto corse I think
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I personally wouldn't buy the special editions, but than again, I've just downsized from 155BHP Grande Punto Abarth to 90BHP Renault Twingo- so maybe not the right person to answer

I found that more HP doesn't necessarily translates to more fun on the road as speed limits are quite low where I live. It does mean more petrol, more expensive insurance and servicing though... My husband loves the Renault and swears there is more space inside than my old Grande Punto even if its shorter by half a meter!
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I actually know someone with the Maserati edition but it sits in his garage, he wants to keep it concourse. It looks gorgeous in the flesh but I personally think it needs to be driven
To be worth anything in the future, these special editions will have to be kept concours (did anyone else see the mint Brooklands Capri with 936 miles that made £54,000 last week?).

In average condition with some mileage on them, they'll depreciate like a brick.

It's just not economic to use one of these as a daily driver - for the cost involved, you could find something even more fun.
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To be worth anything in the future, these special editions will have to be kept concours (did anyone else see the mint Brooklands Capri with 936 miles that made £54,000 last week?).

In average condition with some mileage on them, they'll depreciate like a brick.

It's just not economic to use one of these as a daily driver - for the cost involved, you could find something even more fun.
There's a crap investment, if ever there was one.
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I really like them - colour on the Maserati one is bomb, and I think more than anything it's a bit of fun! If someone buys it, awesome. They're also really different, which if you wanna stand out a little bit is cool. Can't said I'd ever own one though. It's like the Diesel 500 - it's cool to be different, but I'm not the biggest fan of it. Wouldn't even know what Diesel sells.


For the money though, I'd much rather get a stock one and then just go to town on it!
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There's a crap investment, if ever there was one.

I'd suspect in another 10 years it will have doubled in value as they become even more rare and sought after.

There is no other investment at the moment that goes up in value as certain types and makes of car, 70s and 80s fords are rocketing in value at the moment
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I'd suspect in another 10 years it will have doubled in value as they become even more rare and sought after.

There is no other investment at the moment that goes up in value as certain types and makes of car, 70s and 80s fords are rocketing in value at the moment
Alternately, there are increasingly strong signs that the market is beginning to overheat and may be heading towards another correction- it's happened before and it will happen again (though I would tend to agree that in the short term there probably is money to be made if that is your thing and you buy carefully- I wouldn't be holding onto it for ten years though if I was all about the "quick, easy buck"). Certainly in the military vehicle market which I tend to keep more of an eye on there has been a noticeable softening of prices over the last 18 months.

However, I was more meaning in the period between manufacture and now- it won't have been a case of "buy it, tuck it away for 30 years, roll it out to auction and profit" (as all too many "investors" seem to think). Serious costs between then and now, plus the comparison to returns on other investments (and inflation).

It somewhat reminds me of the headline news last week of an "investment grade" 205 GTI going to auction with an estimate of £22000 - £25000 (and everyone thinking their 205 GTI is worth that sort of money). Great money for the seller, until you read that it's got bills for a recent £20000 restoration. Less auction fees, initial cost of the vehicle and sundries at that estimate they'll be lucky to see much of a profit, unless of course the owner and the person doing (and billing) for the restoration are one and the same.
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I think the 50th Anniversario special edition in white with red dash and red leather, is stunning just need a lottery win. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...Cnew&logcode=p
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Alternately, there are increasingly strong signs that the market is beginning to overheat and may be heading towards another correction- it's happened before and it will happen again (though I would tend to agree that in the short term there probably is money to be made if that is your thing and you buy carefully- I wouldn't be holding onto it for ten years though if I was all about the "quick, easy buck"). Certainly in the military vehicle market which I tend to keep more of an eye on there has been a noticeable softening of prices over the last 18 months.

I'm 100% sure that you can't compare the market in military vehicles with the market for classic cars. It's a very different set of people who buy these vehicles.

There are many young millionaires now who use cars as a strong investment market which drives prices up, while the likes of China and Russia will buy up anything valuable and rare which also pushes prices through the roof. 10 years ago the same Capri would have sold for £12k which shows just how much prices have gone up.

Anyone in this market knows that an original car will always be worth more than a restored car and a person restoring a car will know that it's often unlikely that you will get back the money invested in any restoration unless the cars you're restoring say Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin or some other similar marque
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