Technical The one and only Dualogic failure thread

[cubic25]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

Just to add to my previous post.

It seems everyone else's duelogic slipped into neutral. Ours did not do that.
Ours just slipped, revved, thumped, lots of warning lights, then carried on as if nothing ever happened.

After reading the repair costs for Aussie 500's, I think we are going to sell it.

Shame, because she loves it so much. She wants a 500X, but I'm saying no because I can't bare to put of with the incompetent fiat dealer network here in Aus.

 

[jrkitching]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

After reading the repair costs for Aussie 500's, I think we are going to sell it.

That would certainly be my first instinct.

Even in Europe, the chances of finding a mechanic who really understands what's going on with these things is remote; in Australia, I'd say they'd be practically non-existent.

When everything is going well, these are one of the most charming and character-filled cars around and are an absolute delight; when things are going not so well, they're an absolute nightmare.

I once knew a girl like that, a long, long time ago... unforgettable, but I'm glad I got out when I did.

 

[John202020]

Keep an eye on it, though it's better to sell whilst it's "ok" rather than after its broken? Perhaps trade in for a new one and only keep for as long as the warranty? If possible.

 

[ahmett]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

Just to add to my previous post.

It seems everyone else's duelogic slipped into neutral. Ours did not do that.
Ours just slipped, revved, thumped, lots of warning lights, then carried on as if nothing ever happened.

After reading the repair costs for Aussie 500's, I think we are going to sell it.

Shame, because she loves it so much. She wants a 500X, but I'm saying no because I can't bare to put of with the incompetent fiat dealer network here in Aus.

Get rid of it. The going into Neutral is the first sign of things starting to go amiss. It could be months, it could be years, but it will break eventually. And in Australia, it will cost several thousand $

 

[jrkitching]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

The going into Neutral is the first sign of things starting to go amiss.

This one isn't going into neutral.

But just because it isn't going into neutral, it doesn't mean there isn't an underlying problem.

Get rid of it.

I'd agree with the advice to get rid of it, particularly given the location.

It could be months, it could be years, but it will break eventually.

Well just about everything will break eventually. What is much more worrying is that there have been numerous reports of dualogic failures after 30k-50k miles.

A gearbox really ought to last the life of the car in normal use.

 

[ahmett]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

This one isn't going into neutral.

But just because it isn't going into neutral, it doesn't mean there isn't an underlying problem.



I'd agree with the advice to get rid of it, particularly given the location.



Well just about everything will break eventually. What is much more worrying is that there have been numerous reports of dualogic failures after 30k-50k miles.

A gearbox really ought to last the life of the car in normal use.

My dualogic is so good so far since replacing it 1.5 years ago about 30,000 kms. Let's hope this lasts!

 

[cubic25]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

Is there any preventative maintenance that we can do so that it doesn't **** itself?

She really doesn't want to get rid of it.

I wonder if it would be worth me sourcing my own parts from Europe......

 

[jrkitching]

Re: Duelogic clutch slip

Is there any preventative maintenance that we can do so that it doesn't **** itself?

Read this post.

 

[p6baseunit]

In Australia the parts for the duologic box are very expensive. Since it is a manual box and clutch with a robotic gear change, it is not unusual to expect a clutch at 60000kms depending on the type of driving. Personally I don't think it's unreasonable for the box to need some work in this time period... it's expected on a Smart car or VW DSG box... it's the price of the parts from Fiat that are a pass take... around £1600 or $6000aus for the complete set. There are a couple of places in the UK that offer rebuilt units on exchange for around £400...

If the clutch is slipping, perhaps it just needs a replacement Clutch!

 

[cubic25]

If the clutch is slipping, perhaps it just needs a replacement Clutch!

That's if it is the clutch. It felt like a slip, but if it was, why would all the warning lights come on?

 

[John202020]

Would have thought 60k on a "automatically controlled clutch" was a bit early in terms of wear? though it could be poor quality materials.

 

[p6baseunit]

Depends on the way the car is used... around town then no it could be warn, mostly motorway/highway journeys yes it's unlikely. At the end of the day it's a Manuel box and clutch with a hydraulic electronic control unit...
If the clutch is slipping it is because it is a) warn b) caused by the control unit.
Why did the lights come on? Will the ecu would know the clutch is slipping and the release mechanism is fully home or not.
The problem you have in Australia as I said before is the cost of the parts and the economy of scale. I won't be getting rid of my £17000 twin air when the gearbox control needs replacing at £1600..... but if it cost £6000 I Would!

 

[burrowsdeano]

If anyone on here is experiencing dualogic issues in the hampshire area give us a call on 01489892722. I was in a main dealer for nearly 20 years so have worked on these since day 1 but knowing that I would eventually leave the main dealer I spent many hours working out all the issues and fixes. so I'm sure we could help, Dean @ smallcarservices.

 

[DavyP]

Wish I'd known about burrowsdeano before I got rid of my Panda Dualogic. But will keep in mind for the Punto . Yippee!

 

[ahmett]

My Dualogic started to leak again. No indications on the dash or anything else amiss. Luckily the warranty on the gearbox is 2 years so booked an appointment for 21 November. It is the only date available as it's the only Fiat/Lancia/Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler main dealer this area of Athens so it's very busy.
They did tell me if any lights come on to immediately stop driving it and get it towed to them and they will try to look it over, as driving the car knowing that there is a fault will invalidate all warranty claims against Fiat.

 

[liav24]

Damn, again?!
Are you sure its the dualocrap?

 

[Flipflop12345]

Sometimes after driving couple of miles my car just comes out of auto and I have to either do gears manual or hit the leaver and it goes back into auto any help please

 

[ahmett]

Damn, again?!
Are you sure its the dualocrap?

I can't see the leak being from anywhere else, i felt it it was sticky so it has to be the gearbox oil! Coolant isn't sticky and the engine has oil up to the max no leak there. Let's see what they say. Will keep the forum updated on the problem and solution and what Fiat main dealer will do about it.

 

[jrkitching]

Sometimes after driving couple of miles my car just comes out of auto and I have to either do gears manual or hit the leaver and it goes back into auto any help please

This could be the first sign of a more serious problem, but first get the fluid level in the selespeed unit checked, and get any fault codes read.

It may help us to help you better if you can provide a few more details, such as age, mileage, & engine type.

 

[ahmett]

Fiat dealer checked my car today.

They told me that the leak was from the left driveshaft gearbox seals. Offered to fix it for 90 euros, I will go to indie to check their quote as I have to change rear brake pads anyway, they are squealing permanently now = )



At least it is not the Dualogic system for once, its the gearbox itself!