Certainly something to add to the mix there AGH, mine has behaved for a week now
but with so many different sensors on start up ,something must be happening somewhere ,S&S could affect certain vehicles if the battery is starting to fail i guess !!
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but with so many different sensors on start up ,something must be happening somewhere ,S&S could affect certain vehicles if the battery is starting to fail i guess !!
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That could very well be the reason. Thanks.
I wonder if turning the key off co-insides with a S/S initiation and the system gets confused?
I wonder too, that I've never noticed a problem other than at home when the car has been standing.
Nowt wrong with the battery BTW. S/S works perfectly and the battery is only five months old.
Anyway, I'm going to give it another week or two, and then start her ONLY with the clutch up. I'll take note of where and when it has previously been switched off and see if I can duplicate the anomaly. I'll keep a diary of it.
If the car remains 100% reliably starting by clutch depressing, I'll revert to non-depressing as from Monday 4th May and use my diary to note starts and stops and any problems.
Remember, this is by turning the key DIRECTLY to AVV and not pausing at MAR.
Interesting eh?
Mick.
Mine did not start again for the first time in 10 days Argggh! all procedures were followed ,this time i left her 20 hours ,btw the battery was mentioned for others not ours ,i have now tried ,starting in sport mode/without, radio on/off,climate control on/off all together,looks like no difference ,the time left now could be a coincidence or not ? does the computer get confused,i had no stop/start engine shut down before i parked in the drive yesterday so cannot be that?the saga goes on to be continued .....
,i have now tried ,starting in sport mode/without, radio on/off,climate control on/off all together,looks like no difference ,the time left now could be a coincidence or not ? does the computer get confused,i had no stop/start engine shut down before i parked in the drive yesterday so cannot be that?the saga goes on to be continued .....
Off topic, but couldn't resist:
Blondes would LOVE to learn to park like this! (I'm blonde, so pun intended)
Blondes would LOVE to learn to park like this! (I'm blonde, so pun intended
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Off topic, but couldn't resist:
Blondes would LOVE to learn to park like this! (I'm blonde, so pun intended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iswNoOWgiw
Love it..,
my neighbour has driven ( and raced) all kinds of vehicles ( even Chauffered US presidents.. )
BUT - the only successful trailer reversing was like this, with the horse doing the steering ; - )
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I made a cock-up starting 500TA yesterday afternoon.
We'd been out yesterday morning - home at half past ten - then out again at half past one, so the car had been stopped only three hours.
I was chatting and not paying enough attention .............. I'd inserted the key and I'd turned it to MAR, then depressed the clutch, and then turned the key to AVV.
Nothing!
Not a jot!
Silence!
As soon as "nothing" happened, I exactly realised what I'd done.
Next, all the way off, depressed the clutch again, then turned directly to AVV and the engine bust into life immediately as it should.
When we'd come home at 10:30, I'd driven forwards up the drive - 100yds uphill steeply from the gate - in 1st gear, set the handbrake and then switched off whilst my foot was still on the clutch and still in 1st gear. I didn't release the clutch, and I'm sure I never do at the top of the drive.
Cheers guys,
Mick.
We'd been out yesterday morning - home at half past ten - then out again at half past one, so the car had been stopped only three hours.
I was chatting and not paying enough attention .............. I'd inserted the key and I'd turned it to MAR, then depressed the clutch, and then turned the key to AVV.
Nothing!
Not a jot!
Silence!
As soon as "nothing" happened, I exactly realised what I'd done.
Next, all the way off, depressed the clutch again, then turned directly to AVV and the engine bust into life immediately as it should.
When we'd come home at 10:30, I'd driven forwards up the drive - 100yds uphill steeply from the gate - in 1st gear, set the handbrake and then switched off whilst my foot was still on the clutch and still in 1st gear. I didn't release the clutch, and I'm sure I never do at the top of the drive.
Cheers guys,
Mick.
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Waiting with the key at MAR isn't a problem as long as you depress the clutch before turning the key to MAR. This is exactly what I do every time I start my TwinAir, since I always wait for the warning lights to go out before I turn the key from MAR to AVV.
Lol! this is all starting to sound a bit complicated. We just get into our TA, put key in, dip clutch and start. Simples!
Lol i wish mine was ,when she wants she starts like yours
Funny thing and now going to the S/S on our TA. We switched our S/S off weeks ago because it would only operate for about 20 seconds before restarting the engine all on its own. Yesterday just to amuse myself, I switched it back on. Stopped in traffic and the engine cut out and stayed silent for nearly 5 minutes whilst waiting until I dipped the clutch. So S/S actually worked properly! I despair sometimes! Apologies for going slightly off topic!
Our 12 plate 500 TwinAir Lounge starts whichever way you go about it - clutch pressed, clutch not pressed, turning straight to start or stopping & waiting for warning lights to go out.
We usually wait for the relevant warning lights to go out before starting, and I usually put the clutch down too. However my Parents don't press the clutch and it starts fine, and I don't think Dad always waits for the warning lights either, again it starts fine.
I'd say if your car's that fussy about starting, it needs something repairing or replacing. It's not just a Fiat quirk - I've never experienced a Fiat behaving like this, and I've driven loads of them.
We usually wait for the relevant warning lights to go out before starting, and I usually put the clutch down too. However my Parents don't press the clutch and it starts fine, and I don't think Dad always waits for the warning lights either, again it starts fine.
I'd say if your car's that fussy about starting, it needs something repairing or replacing. It's not just a Fiat quirk - I've never experienced a Fiat behaving like this, and I've driven loads of them.
I know Liam i agree ive also had loads of Fiats and never a problem until now ,i have a case number rang Fiat today awaited a return call while at work none returned :bang: They want my car for a week or more but the dealership cannot get a courtesy car for me for more than a day ,so she said she would try the dealer i bought it from 130 miles or so away and meanwhile a week later im still waiting tut tut .
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Thanks for that.
Mine starts 100% of the time providing you follow Fiat's instructions.
Seems like yours will start when NOT following the instructions, and to be absolutely honest, I wish ours was "defective" like yours.
As I said before, I'll give it until the beginning of May and then I'll do some experimenting to get factual data recorded. Rest assured, I'll get back to you all about it.
Cheers,
Mick.
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Well, here we are three weeks down the line from my testing and recording.
I'm as confused as ever now, because things have changed.
Just come in from shopping, and now I have three weeks of starting .......... and I've started her up 38 times (not counting Stop/Start sequences).
Every single one of those was with gears in neutral, no seatbelt fastened,key inserted and turned directly to AVV. Every single one of those 38 times, she has started instantly.
This is contrary to what happened before and contrary to Fiat's instructions, and I'm now at a loss to explain anything. Had it been like this before, I wouldn't have said a dickey bird about anything!
As an added extra to this story, when I started up at Lidl's, I did exactly as above, and she started up as perfectly as normal ................... BUT ............
Something very strange indeed!
She started up, but there was no dash indications at all. Not a sausage, nothing. The engine was running perfectly, the rev counter was showing correctly, but nothing else.
A couple of seconds later, the dash lights came on as if she was at MAR, then went off again as normal then leaving on the handbrake light and the seatbelt warning. Date and time was correct and temp and fuel levels correct too.
I drove home without issue.
Puzzled,
Mick.
I'm as confused as ever now, because things have changed.
Just come in from shopping, and now I have three weeks of starting .......... and I've started her up 38 times (not counting Stop/Start sequences).
Every single one of those was with gears in neutral, no seatbelt fastened,key inserted and turned directly to AVV. Every single one of those 38 times, she has started instantly.
This is contrary to what happened before and contrary to Fiat's instructions, and I'm now at a loss to explain anything. Had it been like this before, I wouldn't have said a dickey bird about anything!
As an added extra to this story, when I started up at Lidl's, I did exactly as above, and she started up as perfectly as normal ................... BUT ............
Something very strange indeed!
She started up, but there was no dash indications at all. Not a sausage, nothing. The engine was running perfectly, the rev counter was showing correctly, but nothing else.
A couple of seconds later, the dash lights came on as if she was at MAR, then went off again as normal then leaving on the handbrake light and the seatbelt warning. Date and time was correct and temp and fuel levels correct too.
I drove home without issue.
Puzzled,
Mick.
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You don't mention the clutch. What did you do with it?
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Sorry, should've said.
No clutch depressed.
Neutral, no seatbelt, no clutch, key in and straight to AVV.
Instant start every single time.
Mick.
No clutch depressed.
Neutral, no seatbelt, no clutch, key in and straight to AVV.
Instant start every single time.
Mick.
Well, here we are three weeks down the line from my testing and recording.
I'm as confused as ever now, because things have changed.
Just come in from shopping, and now I have three weeks of starting .......... and I've started her up 38 times (not counting Stop/Start sequences).
Every single one of those was with gears in neutral, no seatbelt fastened,key inserted and turned directly to AVV. Every single one of those 38 times, she has started instantly.
This is contrary to what happened before and contrary to Fiat's instructions, and I'm now at a loss to explain anything. Had it been like this before, I wouldn't have said a dickey bird about anything!
As an added extra to this story, when I started up at Lidl's, I did exactly as above, and she started up as perfectly as normal ................... BUT ............
Something very strange indeed!
She started up, but there was no dash indications at all. Not a sausage, nothing. The engine was running perfectly, the rev counter was showing correctly, but nothing else.
A couple of seconds later, the dash lights came on as if she was at MAR, then went off again as normal then leaving on the handbrake light and the seatbelt warning. Date and time was correct and temp and fuel levels correct too.
I drove home without issue.
Puzzled,
Mick.
Do you mean some of the display on your binnacle was missing then re appeared Mick?
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Yes, it was ALL of the binnacle display that was unlit.
It was as if no key had been inserted. Totally blank even though the engine was running happily.
Out yesterday, started a few times, and all was fine. I'm going to continue to start with no seatbelt, no clutch, in neutral, and straight to AVV ........... just like all the other cars I've driven over the last 45years.
Regards,
Mick.
It was as if no key had been inserted. Totally blank even though the engine was running happily.
Out yesterday, started a few times, and all was fine. I'm going to continue to start with no seatbelt, no clutch, in neutral, and straight to AVV ........... just like all the other cars I've driven over the last 45years.
Regards,
Mick.
