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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

Ahmett, there is nothing wrong with 195/45R16. Besides, it's not only the size that matters. The 500 with TwinAir 80 that Ristretto buys, will likely have Goodyear EfficientGrip tires. These are a kind of eco tires. If 205/40R17 Pirelli P ZERO NERO tires were mounted, then I would agree with you. MINI is a different story. MINI mounts wheels that nobody wants and their option wheels are very expensive. That's just MINI's way of making more money.
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Ahmett, there is nothing wrong with 195/45R16. Besides, it's not only the size that matters. The 500 with TwinAir 80 that Ristretto buys, will likely have Goodyear EfficientGrip tires. These are a kind of eco tires. If 205/40R17 Pirelli P ZERO NERO tires were mounted, then I would agree with you. MINI is a different story. MINI mounts wheels that nobody wants and their option wheels are very expensive. That's just MINI's way of making more money.
195/45 16 tires are FAT. It's like saying there is nothing wrong with obese people = )
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Actually a 1.2 would be just fine on 155's - my 1.2 Panda runs on 155/80x13's and I've never come close to losing it, not even in the snow on summer tyres.

IMO even that's more than is necessary; twenty years ago cars with this sort of power & configuration would have been shod on 135's.
yes but cars were much 'skinnier' those days. the heavier a car is, the more likely it is to understeer. so if a car with 800 kgs need 135's to be ok, then a 1000 kg car would need at least, lets say 175's.

my mom's old polo was 1100 kgs or so, maybe even 1200 kgs with me in it and the auto transmission, and it understeered far too much with 155's on it.

i think, with the Fiat 500's crazy short wheelbase and naturally dodgy handling compared to the Mini, the 185's are a good compromise for sporty driving.
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dont be silly 175's are fine
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Actually a 1.2 would be just fine on 155's
I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the Netherlands it is as follows. From 2007 to 2012 or 2013 the smallest tire size for a 500 was 175/65R14. However, in 2010 there was a 500 1.2 ECO Limited Edition (104 g/km CO2) and that car had tire size 155/80R13! Nowadays the smallest tire size is 185/55R15 though. Even the cheapest 500, a Pop with TwinAir 60 (88 g/km CO2), has tire size 185/55R15 these days. However, if you want a 500S, then 195/45R16 is the only tire size you can choose.
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Finally took delivery our new 500. The dealer supplied it with the wrong wheels (see earlier in the thread) and rubber instead of fabric floor mats. However, they will remedy both shortcomings as soon as they can get the correct wheels and floor mats in.



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Nice car!

Ristretto, what do you think of the 80 hp TwinAir engine in you car? Of course it's still a bit tight, but are you satisfied?
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Thanks!

I think it's too early to draw conclusions, but first impressions are positive. There is more character and torque in the engine than the 1.2. The unique puttering sound also adds to the charm. Most importantly - the wife loves it!
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

Thought I'd follow up on this thread.

The TwinAir now has around 2500 kms on the clock and the engine is noticeably more peppy than it was initially. So far the average fuel consumption is at 6L/100km = 47 UK mpg.

The dealer finally managed to deliver the wheels we originally ordered the car with. A quick snap below.



Winter is arriving, so the car is going to have a Webasto auxiliary heater installed next week - along with a remote by phone (https://www.remuc.fi/?lang=en) and a battery charger. The winter shoes (Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2 on 15" wheels) will also go Under the car in the best future...
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Winter shoes now on. The soft compound 15" Nokian winter tyres are noticeably more quiet than the 16" summer tyres. The ride is also clearly cushier.

The Webasto aux heater is great - pre-warms the engine and cabin nicely in sub-zero temps (and easily controlled from an iPhone app).

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Funny how one of the photos above has disappeared. Monday this week may have been fatal to our little 500. Here's the before image from when we got the correct wheels on the car:



...and here is one from Monday this week:



What happened is that when my wife was driving, a large truck / lorry hit her when he was changing lanes. Apparently he just did not see the Fiat even thought he was on left lane and driving faster, approaching my wife's car from behind?!

Anyway, the first hit was to the rear of the car and it spun it sideways. The Fiat ended up in front of the truck and was effectively being pushed sideways by the truck. It is a small miracle that the car did not flip and that nobody was actually hurt. Let's see if the car will be written off.
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

Very lucky that your wife is ok. Little 500 did well against a truck.
If it's a write off you can buy a new one with insurance money.
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That's one tough little car! Life saver
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Huh, good fortune in the car not flipping! What sort of speed did that happen at?

Sad to see that. I remember you bought that car roughly around the time I got mine, and since both our TwinAirs have a Remuc-controlled Webasto & a battery charger, I felt some 500-kinship.
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Thanks guys. And yes, the car did extremely well in the circumstances and I guess ESP also had a big role in the outcome.


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Huh, good fortune in the car not flipping! What sort of speed did that happen at?

It was at 80km/h on one of the ring roads around Helsinki.

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Sad to see that. I remember you bought that car roughly around the time I got mine, and since both our TwinAirs have a Remuc-controlled Webasto & a battery charger, I felt some 500-kinship.

Well, if this one is written off (will hopefully know very soon), a new TwinAir Lounge will be ordered to replace it. A lovely car I think and my wife just plain adores it.
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Condolences.

So glad you are unhurt. Everything else can be replaced.

Your little car has done its job well. Personally I wouldn't want it repaired after that amount of damage.
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