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Old 04-04-2015   #16
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

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Ristretto, maybe I misunderstood the reason of your question, since I focused on the difference between 80 and 85 hp.

Did you ever drive a 500 with a 85 hp TwinAir engine? If you did, then there is no problem, since the 80 hp TwinAir behaves almost like the 85 hp version, but if you didn't, then I advise you to make a test drive before buying anything! Some people simply can't get used to the habits of the TwinAir engine. They get annoyed by the sound, the vibrations at low engine speeds or whatever...
The reason I was originally asking the question was that I wasn't sure if the 80hp version would be bi-fuel or just petrol - something that I am disappointed to say the dealer was unable to answer! As I am not looking for a bi-fuel car, this was something I wanted to know. Actually the dealer has also reverted confirming that it is a petrol and not a bi-fuel engine. And to their credit, they have been kind and responsive all along.

I have not driven either of the TwinAirs. But I am happy to hear that the two TwinAir versions drive alike. As the dealer is keen to get the ball rolling (they are officially opening for business Thursday next week), they have made me an offer on the TwinAir that is quite difficult to refuse. But I would need to decide before the end of next week...
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

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they have made me an offer on the TwinAir that is quite difficult to refuse. But I would need to decide before the end of next week...
I don't want to complicate things, but as I said earlier, some people can't get used to the habits of the TwinAir engine. Your wife could be one of those people. On the other hand, there are lots of women that love their 500 with TwinAir engine. Nevertheless, I wouldn't buy without a test drive, but that's my personal opinion.
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I don't want to complicate things, but as I said earlier, some people can't get used to the habits of the TwinAir engine. Your wife could be one of those people. On the other hand, there are lots of women that love their 500 with TwinAir engine. Nevertheless, I wouldn't buy without a test drive, but that's my personal opinion.
That is sound advice. Thank you. I will digest all this over Easter...
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

Yes sound advice. When I bought mine there was none available to test drive either so I made do with a TA Chrysler ypsilon for a day, I was fairly convinced though when I handed it back! It had 9k on it so was nicely run in, worth noting that if you take a TA with very low mileage for a test drive it's not that representative as they loosen up nicely after about 7 or 8k (miles) and are much more flexible and less grumbly.
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

I've had my new TwinAir for 10 months now and it's done 8600 miles faultlessly, nothing needed doing at all except a bit of air in the tyres. 51 mpg is the norm and it's quite zippy on the normal setting. The Eco setting is fine for the flat and in town and the mpg is not a lot different. Eco is my normal setting.

The only downside to the Fiat 500 compared to other cars I've had is the seats which aren't particularly soft or supportive.

The TwinAir is a great little car
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

Ok. Despite not actually having driven the TwinAir (only the 1.2), we made a decision and pulled the trigger on a Gelato white TwinAir Lounge with a grey cloth interior and ivory ambience. In addition to the standard Lounge spec, it'll come with the following extras:

- 10 double spoke 16" wheels (same as those on the Cult)
- Xenon lights
- Instercope HiFi system
- Auto dimming rear view mirror
- Leather gear knob

Now we just need to wait around 10 weeks for delivery...
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

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Ok. Despite not actually having driven the TwinAir (only the 1.2), we made a decision and pulled the trigger on a Gelato white TwinAir Lounge with a grey cloth interior and ivory ambience. In addition to the standard Lounge spec, it'll come with the following extras:

- 10 double spoke 16" wheels (same as those on the Cult)
- Xenon lights
- Instercope HiFi system
- Auto dimming rear view mirror
- Leather gear knob

Now we just need to wait around 10 weeks for delivery...

be careful the 16 inch wheels ruin fuel economy by about 5% compared to the 15 inch wheels.
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Fair enough, but 16 inch wheels are actually standard on the Lounge at least in Finland. I guess I could get the 15 inchers at no extra cost if I wanted to but I prefer the apperance of the 16 inch wheels. The smaller wheels may also ride better, but we were both happy with the ride on the larger wheels.

These are the ones that come stock:



But we prefer these:



We also happen to prefer the non-metallic white to the metallic one
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

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Fair enough, but 16 inch wheels are actually standard on the Lounge at least in Finland. I guess I could get the 15 inchers at no extra cost if I wanted to but I prefer the apperance of the 16 inch wheels. The smaller wheels may also ride better, but we were both happy with the ride on the larger wheels.

These are the ones that come stock:



But we prefer these:



We also happen to prefer the non-metallic white to the metallic one
ok looks good = ) but dont complain if you cannot come close to the fuel economy figures! and not only that, the car will feel slower. i cannot believe such a weak engine as the 1.2 69hp would have wheels that are so big and heavy with such wide tires!!
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we made a decision and pulled the trigger on a Gelato white TwinAir Lounge
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ok looks good = ) but dont complain if you cannot come close to the fuel economy figures!
Even with 15 inch rims the 3.8 l/100km (74 MPG) specified for the 500 with TwinAir 80 is unreachable for normal human beings.
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yes but instead of 5.0l/100 km you'll get 6.0l/100 km. (this i am quoting for the 1.2)
for the TA instead of 6.0l/100km, you'll get 7.0l/100 km = )

For the record i went from 8.0l/100 km to 7.0 l/100 km when i changed tire width from 195 to 185.
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Re: 80 vs 85hp TwinAir engine (and other advise)?

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for the TA instead of 6.0l/100km, you'll get 7.0l/100 km = ).
I'm getting 4.7 on 195's. Hopefully the switch to 175's will get me into the high threes though
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Hopefully the switch to 175's will get me into the high threes though
Yeah, straight into the high trees, when losing grip in a curve.
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Yeah, straight into the high trees, when losing grip in a curve.
dont be silly 175's are fine if they are a good make. now with 155's you may be having some issues = )

in fact, the stock mini cooper, a more powerful and heavier car has the 175's as standard = )

195's are far too wide for the car.
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dont be silly 175's are fine if they are a good make. now with 155's you may be having some issues = )
Actually a 1.2 would be just fine on 155's - my 1.2 Panda runs on 155/80x13's and I've never come close to losing it, not even in the snow on summer tyres.

IMO even that's more than is necessary; twenty years ago cars with this sort of power & configuration would have been shod on 135's.
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