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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

My 2012 twinair 500 does this aswell, in reverse. I have read somewhere that it is a characteristic of the car too!
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Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

Same here:
My 2011 500 twin air turbo has the same issue, right from new and still the same at 132000 km.

Especially if engine cold and / or cold outside.

Dealer told me that there is no solution for.
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

Hi thanks for the great advice but one of the problems I have is that I still have two years finance left to pay on my panda I have thought about getting a settlement figure and trading it elsewhere but who would accept the car making that groaning noise I know that I wouldn't have brought it if made that noise on the test drive. I am expecting a call from fiat tomorrow who knows what they will say this time but I am sure that if they log this issue and I have any problems in the following two years that I will have a battle on my hands in fact in my view that groaning noise is unacceptable in any modern vehicle and there seams to be many people who same issue on newer and on lower mileage fiats. The mechanic called it a mooing noise btw
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

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The mechanic called it a mooing noise btw

That's funny, in German FIAT forums it is called equivalent: "Muhen" (like a cow).
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

Hi it is reassuring that you guys cars have covered some miles/km that's my main worry if that if I am going to going to get hit with a massive gearbox replacement bill or something but my fiat garage have recognised that there is an issue but they do keep saying that not at any time was there any risk. I will post tomorrow to let you know what there next move is.
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

strange how it's just a 500 thing.. not heard of it in the panda or punto..

and the fact it doesn't alter in 100K miles also says it's "just a characteristic.." = NVH
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

My panda twinair defiantly likes to moo in reverse but I think that there are not so many panda twinairs out there they are more of a budget run around great car and great engine though.
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

It's fairly common and reported on here a fair few times if you have a search, no real diagnosis I don't think but doesn't seem to cause any real issues either, my ta 500 did it once or twice but not in ages
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

My 500 twinair has mooed from new. Still does after nearly 6 years and 43000 miles. No gearbox problems. I quickly got used to it and accept it as a characteristic.
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

My wife's TA also does it as well.........we had a test drive before we brought it and it was fine, the groaning noise then started a couple of days after buying the car, doesn't seem to do it every day and doesn't effect anything, just there sometimes when you use reverse.

The only other thing we have noticed with the TA is that when you change from 4th to 5th gear the distance between 3rd and 5th gear slot is minimal, you don't have to push the gear stick far to the right to get it into 5th gear....hope that makes sense? just hope its not a selector fork

Car drives perfect and even the Mrs is getting used to the purring noise the engine makes
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

Quote Originally Posted by spen21 View Post
Hi thanks for the great advice but one of the problems I have is that I still have two years finance left to pay on my panda I have thought about getting a settlement figure and trading it elsewhere but who would accept the car making that groaning noise I know that I wouldn't have brought it if made that noise on the test drive. I am expecting a call from fiat tomorrow who knows what they will say this time but I am sure that if they log this issue and I have any problems in the following two years that I will have a battle on my hands in fact in my view that groaning noise is unacceptable in any modern vehicle and there seams to be many people who same issue on newer and on lower mileage fiats. The mechanic called it a mooing noise btw
Re your dilemma - from what I understand, webuyanycar will also offer you a price for your car even if there is still outstanding finance to pay off. I believe you just have to pay the difference before they agree to purchase the car. See this link:

https://www.webuyanycar.com/car-savi...n-car-finance/

Appreciate you may not want to go down that road, but it is an option. As for the groan, unless there is something specifically wrong with your car and it is a "feature" of the engine, I don't see how you would be trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I believe WBAC would only have a concern if your car has a legitimate fault that you have tried to cover up.
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Hi Ya'll spoke to my fiat dealership today and they want me to bring my panda TA back in so there tech wiz team can checkout the reverse noise' so after the second clutch change the latter being an upgraded new part well that's what they say they have done they cant figure out why the car still makes the mooo noise so it shouldn't then ?
But now on my way home from work I popped in to another fiat dealership in London and asked the guy at service desk if they know why my panda TA would be making this mooo noise in reverse the guy then checks with the mechanics and guess what they all said its the clutch and it needs to be changed its a common fault I take it then. It sounds like a lot of fuss over a noise in reverse and occasionally in second gear but I wouldn't have brought the car if it was making this terrible noise ARGH !
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

Surely this can not be a gearbox oil issue. Too much, too little, too thick, too thin. Sometimes the simple solution gets ignored but then greater minds than mine have looked at this issue. You honestly have my sympathies.
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

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Hi Ya'll spoke to my fiat dealership today and they want me to bring my panda TA back in so there tech wiz team can checkout the reverse noise' so after the second clutch change the latter being an upgraded new part well that's what they say they have done they cant figure out why the car still makes the mooo noise so it shouldn't then ?

But now on my way home from work I popped in to another fiat dealership in London and asked the guy at service desk if they know why my panda TA would be making this mooo noise in reverse the guy then checks with the mechanics and guess what they all said its the clutch and it needs to be changed

you're on your 2nd clutch in a short period of ownership , and the noise is still there.

and yours is a PANDA -in a 500 thread..

as I said - I've never heard of this in the Punto,
but they are all 6-speed - maybe that's the issue /difference.

reminds me of when all the Ducato motorhomes chattered in reverse until they changed the reverse gear ratio's
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Re: Fiat 500 Twinair Gearbox groan in reverse

hi there doesn't seem to be any forums covering the fiat panda twinair with the reverse groan so fiat 500 twinair threads it is. same engine same gearbox and clutch with same groan noise that's my thinking I just don't think that its acceptable I just hope fiat can figure it out. the gearbox oil is something I will mention to the service department thanks.
My clutch has always functioned ok it is fiat that have fitted two new clutches trying to cure the reverse noise so who knows what happens next.
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