Ok dealer 2 updated me they said they think it's only the dualogic system quoted 1450 euros to replace system

Car booked in on Wednesday to be checked in. Dealer will then speak with fiat directly and open a case on their side to see what can be done

Just as i was taking it to the dealer to get it checked it broke again, this time in a bad way as it went from netural to first and got stuck in 1st meaning car was immobile. The tow truck came couldn't tow it due to it being stuck in gear so they had to bring a special tow truck that carried the wheels in the air. I would have taken a picture but i was too annoyed to think about it. Car is now at Fiat dealer waiting for Fiat's verdict. Tech put gearbox CS SPEED oil in the system to get it to change into netural, all the fluid leaked out of the car immediately but at least he managed to put it into neutral. When car was moving it actually tried to put itself into first gear!? So tech said oh dear you may need the new selespeed system + the ECU.

FUNFUN!

Condolences, Ahmett.

I'm coming to the conclusion that your car is now just basically plain worn out. Even if you put in a new gearbox & dualogic unit, how long before something else (engine, suspension, brakes, costly electronic doohickey, whatever) gives you another major headache.

Personally if someone is offering you €2500 for it 'as is', I'd be at least a little bit tempted to take the money & run.

The alternative is probably to spend another €2500 to end up with a car you don't have any confidence in that's worth maybe €5000.

But please stay with the forum - you'd be terribly missed if you were to leave.

jrkitching said:

Condolences, Ahmett.

I'm coming to the conclusion that your car is now just basically plain worn out. Even if you put in a new gearbox & dualogic unit, how long before something else (engine, suspension, brakes, costly electronic doohickey, whatever) gives you another major headache.

Personally if someone is offering you €2500 for it 'as is', I'd be at least a little bit tempted to take the money & run.

The alternative is probably to spend another €2500 to end up with a car you don't have any confidence in that's worth maybe €5000.

But please stay with the forum - you'd be terribly missed if you were to leave.

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brakes and suspension are all new = ) but i am waiting to see what the cost of the new dualogic + gearbox and to see if fiat will contribute to it. If not, i may take the 2500 and run!

dont be silly, i will stay in this forum for sure! will keep this situation updated whatever the result, dealer told me they expect to hear from Fiat tomorrow.

Ok i am actually scared now.
Fiat HQ called me to say they wont help, dealer said they are still speaking with Fiat over the issue. I gave Fiat dealer info they requested so now will wait for Fiat to say.

Oh and they said i hit the rev limited 57 times. Very nice.

I am worried they replace the whole selespeed unit and its still not fixed. They said the selespeed ECU may also be broken which means 1500 euros + the selsepeed ECU.

I am getting confused here.

ahmett said:

Oh and they said i hit the rev limited 57 times.

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You could always try saying you drive like a saint and therefore the overrev logging must be defective .

Actually that's not as far fetched as it sounds. This next quote isn't about Fiat - I've pulled it off one of the Porsche forums - but it makes interesting reading:

"Having spoken to several independent Porsche specialists and GT2/3 Turbo/owners, it's clear that there are erroneous over revs being added to cars ECUs, how they appear I'm not sure, but maybe the simple act of plugging in the diagnostics and running them is causing it, I know of an owner who's had exactly the same scenario you've described. "

Apparently some Porsche owners have been refused warranty claims after the dealer has downloaded the logs; the owners swear blind they've owned the car from new and are certain they've never missed a gear or otherwise overrevved it.

Sadly after reading your last few posts, I'm of the opinion that your dealer doesn't really understand what's wrong with your car and doesn't know what specifically needs to be done to fix it. In your situation, I'd struggle to have any confidence in it going forward, irrespective of what they do or how much it costs. I'd be looking for a way out of this that leaves you not owning the car any more.

ahmett said:

Oh and they said i hit the rev limited 57 times. Very nice.

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That's irrelevant imo as the limiter is there to be used and prevent damage.

Or are they on about over revved 57 times? If the latter then it proves there is a gearbox fault as the only way it can be over revved is by changing to a gear too low at high speeds - something the Selespeed system shouldn't allow.

Most Easterly Pandas said:

That's irrelevant imo as the limiter is there to be used and prevent damage.

Or are they on about over revved 57 times? If the latter then it proves there is a gearbox fault as the only way it can be over revved is by changing to a gear too low at high speeds - something the Selespeed system shouldn't allow.

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Yes totally agree. Surely the rev limiter is set well within safety limits, it will change up anyway if it get to the rev limit.
Can't see how they can use that as an excuse not to help.
hsve you tried an independent garage Ahmett?
Yes we'd really miss you if you left.

Wow that's amazing.
I got the same version you have, 1.4 Dualogic 2010 with 45000 Miles on it, and now i'm afraid of that because this engine loves high RPM.

BTW the Fiat HQ doesn't really give a s**t most of the times, for example i live in Israel and for some reason almost every normal Fiat 500 on the road has this passenger airbag getting "popped" out of the dashboard, and it looks really bad and ugly, who knows about the safety, we got a huge web forum where dozens of people with the same issue responded, even with the new Punto's (2009-now)

Fiat wont recognize it, even sent them an Email that never got responded for!
I went to the dealership where i was told to pay 1681 EUR to replace that (after giving me the face of "ohh you too with this problem"), only after a long conversations they agreed to the price of 450 EUR, and even that is too much.
if ill ever buy a fiat again, it will be a manual

I may have asked this before, but have you considered swapping the gearbox to a manual? No Selespeed pumps, ECU's etc.

If you've only hit the rev limiter 57 times in the cars lifetime, you're not the Ahmett I thought I knew

UFI said:

I may have asked this before, but have you considered swapping the gearbox to a manual? No Selespeed pumps, ECU's etc.

If you've only hit the rev limiter 57 times in the cars lifetime, you're not the Ahmett I thought I knew

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Methinks Ahmett would be hitting the rev limiter a lot more often in a manual .

Most Easterly Pandas said:

That's irrelevant imo as the limiter is there to be used and prevent damage.



Or are they on about over revved 57 times? If the latter then it proves there is a gearbox fault as the only way it can be over revved is by changing to a gear too low at high speeds - something the Selespeed system shouldn't allow.

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I think they mean me hitting the rev limiter in 1st gear under acceleration at 7250 rpm which is really easy to do and I remember doing that many times. Unlike the smarts electro hydraulic system the dualogic doesn't change up a gear when u hit the limiter. I have downshifted to 6500 rpm many times but the system let's you do that. Any more than that it simply beeps and doesn't drop down a gear.

jrkitching said:

Methinks Ahmett would be hitting the rev limiter a lot more often in a manual .

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In 1st gear it's the same thing hitting manual and auto fuel cutoff at 7250.

UFI said:

I may have asked this before, but have you considered swapping the gearbox to a manual? No Selespeed pumps, ECU's etc.

If you've only hit the rev limiter 57 times in the cars lifetime, you're not the Ahmett I thought I knew

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I thought about it but buying a gearbox off eBay in Greece is not as easy as the uk. I'll stick with the dualogic. If it lasts another 100,000 km I'll be happy I am looking to change the car within the next year for a bmw 1 series. When the time is right I plan on giving this car to my 19 year old younger brother who will pass his driving test within the next few months. He's not car crazy like me and probably won't drive it as much. Let him burn the car to the ground. He's a student in the UK so maybe he'll bring the car over to the UK so some of you can see how well the car has been maintained personally.

Cars doing fine; except the gearbox system of course

liav24 said:

Wow that's amazing.
I got the same version you have, 1.4 Dualogic 2010 with 45000 Miles on it, and now i'm afraid of that because this engine loves high RPM.

BTW the Fiat HQ doesn't really give a s**t most of the times, for example i live in Israel and for some reason almost every normal Fiat 500 on the road has this passenger airbag getting "popped" out of the dashboard, and it looks really bad and ugly, who knows about the safety, we got a huge web forum where dozens of people with the same issue responded, even with the new Punto's (2009-now)

Fiat wont recognize it, even sent them an Email that never got responded for!
I went to the dealership where i was told to pay 1681 EUR to replace that (after giving me the face of "ohh you too with this problem"), only after a long conversations they agreed to the price of 450 EUR, and even that is too much.
if ill ever buy a fiat again, it will be a manual

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Yes it loves high rpm the system is not suited to the engine at all. I am currently driving a Smart Fortwo and that system feels much more robust.

Right now I have been quoted 1440 euros to replace the selespeed unit as a whole . I don't think the gearbox itself is damaged as all the gears work fine when the selespeed is actually working . I think the oil leaking out of gearbox was from selespeed system.

So latest update ; waiting for fiat hq to see if they will help with the cost of repair. Hopefully will have some news tomorrow.

I will never buy a fiat again. Good to look at, but with very weak mechanicals.

I am actually wishing I kept my 2002 Audi a2 which was my first car. I bought it in 2007 at 45000 miles from some dodgy car trader. It had a weird knocking noise and car had 5 owners previously ! It used a lot of oil, 1 liter every 3000 miles or so. Yet the car never broke down, not once. Even drove it from UK to Greece and back. Sold it in 2009 at 70000 miles once i finished uni . Really was a solid car , never let me down . My fiat let me down 7 times until now, 4 gearbox , 3 battery !

Buy a swift sport Ahmett, you'd love it.

Very peaky engine, manual gearbox and a dealership/importer/manufacturer chain that actually give a ****.

zanes said:

Buy a swift sport Ahmett, you'd love it.

Very peaky engine, manual gearbox and a dealership/importer/manufacturer chain that actually give a ****.

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too late for that. Ive driven the 136 hp engine in the Toyota Auris rental i once had, fun engine! My next car should be a diesel, i am fed up of spending so much money on petrol. In Greece FYI, 1 liter of petrol = 1.42 Euros. 1 Liter of diesel = 1.12, so having a diesel saves a lot of money!

Anyway latest update; Fiat offered to give a 10% discount on the spare part (how generous of them). So thats 1250 ish Euros for the repairs. Dealer ordered the part without telling me , anyway it will take about 1 month for the spare part to get to the dealer !? Apparently there is a Lancia in the dealership with exactly the same problem.

So I've twisted the dealer's arm to give me a loan car until the spare part comes as i don't want to stay one month borrowing my mom's Smart, its unfair to her. Hopefully within the next few days i'll end up with some sort of car.

Butting in here, and with no knowledge of Dualogic workings, but with a question.
Surely if there is a rev LIMITER it is there so damage by exceeding its settings is avoided. It is therefore a safety device which is in place to be used when needed. If so, how can any blame be attached to Ahmett if he uses it?
Or am I reading the comments about rev limiting wrong here?

Sweetsixteen said:

Butting in here, and with no knowledge of Dualogic workings, but with a question.
Surely if there is a rev LIMITER it is there so damage by exceeding its settings is avoided. It is therefore a safety device which is in place to be used when needed. If so, how can any blame be attached to Ahmett if he uses it?
Or am I reading the comments about rev limiting wrong here?

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there is no way to blame me its just fiat being cheeky. what did you expect from cheats? and the 10% discount was probably done just to show that they care = )

Ahmett - i hope your'e going to sue them for all this headache