Technical Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response, Hill Start Issues & Watchdog report

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Technical Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response, Hill Start Issues & Watchdog report

I'm not surprised it's in Auto Express; guess who has been talking to them?? That'll be me!!

I have in the last few hours been told in writing that my new diesel will be ordered from the factory today and at NO additional cost. It will be a straight exchange with my 1.2 non-hill liking model and all details on my contract remain the same.

That's great news. You have really got a great result there and it shows that persistence pays off. Well done and enjoy the new car!
 
Picked up a courtesy car last night pictured it is the 1.2 engine i have had a drive around this morning and all appears well ,hill starts etc, i so wanted to add a bit of input if i could of replicated some of the problems others are having but this one seems fine ,not a bad engine a little slower of the mark than my 105 twin air but that is to be expected .
It cruised along nicely 60-65 mph and mpg was a lot better than mine 55-58 mpg over 21 miles hills,town and dual carriage ways .
If this problem that is affecting other cars is finally fixed in the next month or two i would recommend the car /engine especially for urban commuting,altough perfectly at home on the motorway/dual carriage ways.
I hope they fix this sooner than later as it is a great little car/engine being ruined by the bad press about this issue plus its not nice at all for those having to put up with it everyday until its fixed, fingers crossed for you all .
 

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That's good to hear.(y)

It's such a shame how this has all panned out so far as the 1.2 really is such a great little motor for the 500.

Again, I can only hope people get their fix sorted in the next month or so. I honestly don't know what we would have done if we'd been saddled with one of these cars for the best part of a year.(n)
 
Picked up a courtesy car last night pictured it is the 1.2 engine ................
I take it that this car is a Euro6?
Glad it's fine! :)

If it's ok and Euro6, what is the spec?
Are you able to identify the ECU type, and the car's build date?
Can you find any clues as to why your courtesy car is ok, when other ones aren't?

Maybe people on here in the know about these things can ask you pertinent questions?

I wonder if this problem is just a single batch.

Regards,
Mick.
 
I take it that this car is a Euro6?
Glad it's fine! :)

If it's ok and Euro6, what is the spec?
Are you able to identify the ECU type, and the car's build date?
Can you find any clues as to why your courtesy car is ok, when other ones aren't?

Maybe people on here in the know about these things can ask you pertinent questions?

I wonder if this problem is just a single batch.

Regards,
Mick.
I have my own car back now twin air, not 1.2 it should fall into the build date been Date of first registration 25 September 2014,no clues whatsoever ,i asked the dealer technician he said they are aware of the service bulletin issue but so far none of their cars have been affected ?? i can only guess its a certain batch issue ,sorry i could not find out any more .
 
Picked up a courtesy car last night pictured it is the 1.2 engine i have had a drive around this morning and all appears well ,hill starts etc, i so wanted to add a bit of input if i could of replicated some of the problems others are having but this one seems fine ,not a bad engine a little slower of the mark than my 105 twin air but that is to be expected .
It cruised along nicely 60-65 mph and mpg was a lot better than mine 55-58 mpg over 21 miles hills,town and dual carriage ways .
If this problem that is affecting other cars is finally fixed in the next month or two i would recommend the car /engine especially for urban commuting,altough perfectly at home on the motorway/dual carriage ways.
I hope they fix this sooner than later as it is a great little car/engine being ruined by the bad press about this issue plus its not nice at all for those having to put up with it everyday until its fixed, fingers crossed for you all .
Thanks for this. Firstly it confirms there is light at the end of the tunnel for those suffering poor performance, secondary because it confirms that I'm not a half wit incapable of any understanding of what a decent car is:slayer:
(For those who don't know we have 2 2014 1.2's with zero issues)
 
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There was talk about an article on the euro 6 engine problem being in this weeks autoexpress. I was wondering if anyone had read it?
 
There was talk about an article on the euro 6 engine problem being in this weeks autoexpress. I was wondering if anyone had read it?

Posts 1616 and 1617 are about this weeks autoexpress article, a bit disappointing
really i was hoping it was official from Fiat.
 
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That is disappointing, I thought autoexpress were doing a big piece on the issue and not just a bit of news. Thanks for that anyway.
 
So one year down and time for the first year check-up / service.
When I dropped the car off (1.2 euro 6 panda) with the dealer this morning, he had a quick rummage through a wad of paper sheets and said - I quote "oh good its on the recall list" At the time I was in a rush to drop it in and get to work, but when I pick it up tonight I will quiz him on this as I'm not aware of any recall on the Panda unless it's this euro 6 issue. They maybe finally rolling out a re-map.

Chris
 
So one year down and time for the first year check-up / service.
When I dropped the car off (1.2 euro 6 panda) with the dealer this morning, he had a quick rummage through a wad of paper sheets and said - I quote "oh good its on the recall list" At the time I was in a rush to drop it in and get to work, but when I pick it up tonight I will quiz him on this as I'm not aware of any recall on the Panda unless it's this euro 6 issue. They maybe finally rolling out a re-map.

Chris

Waiting with baited breath here............... ;)
 
So after a lot of hassle I finally had my car replaced and picked it up yesterday, I now have a brand new 15 plate Panda 1.2 easy (which I test drove before accepting) as a replacement for my 14 plate 500 1.2 Pop, and I have to say instantly the difference was very noticeable, it is so much smoother to drive on pull away and generally, I've also noticed it idles about 200rpm higher than my 500 used to and I wonder whether that may be connected with how rough my 500 used to seem?
 
So one year down and time for the first year check-up / service.
When I dropped the car off (1.2 euro 6 panda) with the dealer this morning, he had a quick rummage through a wad of paper sheets and said - I quote "oh good its on the recall list" At the time I was in a rush to drop it in and get to work, but when I pick it up tonight I will quiz him on this as I'm not aware of any recall on the Panda unless it's this euro 6 issue. They maybe finally rolling out a re-map.

Chris

Got the car back on Tuesday, Asked the guy behind the desk about the recall comment.
He was a bit vague, first it had then it hadn't then he couldn't find the piece of paper to say whether it had or hadn't.:confused:
Anyway one thing is sure the car is driving very differently. Very, very smooth pulling off at junctions. I didn't have the hill start issue but was lacking power low down and prone to lurching along in slow traffic. This has now gone, mid range acceleration 2-3k rpm seems a little duller than before but not anything that's going to cause an issue, however 70ph plus acceleration - holy cow:eek:, touch the throttle at 70 and before you know it you're whistling past everything at 90 plus, this I like.:D
Had to go to Cannock yesterday so was able to give it a good work out.
How much of the improvement is just down to being serviced and how much is down to something other, I don't know. It will be interesting to see if this is the start of the cure.(y)

Chris
 
Got the car back on Tuesday, Asked the guy behind the desk about the recall comment.
He was a bit vague, first it had then it hadn't then he couldn't find the piece of paper to say whether it had or hadn't.:confused:
Anyway one thing is sure the car is driving very differently. Very, very smooth pulling off at junctions. I didn't have the hill start issue but was lacking power low down and prone to lurching along in slow traffic. This has now gone, mid range acceleration 2-3k rpm seems a little duller than before but not anything that's going to cause an issue, however 70ph plus acceleration - holy cow:eek:, touch the throttle at 70 and before you know it you're whistling past everything at 90 plus, this I like.:D
Had to go to Cannock yesterday so was able to give it a good work out.
How much of the improvement is just down to being serviced and how much is down to something other, I don't know. It will be interesting to see if this is the start of the cure.(y)

Chris
Great news(y) now you can enjoy it as intended at last :)
 
Well mine's booked in for 13th April. All a bit vague, nobody seems to sure what's what, but it seems "..........it only affects cars without ESP.........." So I say, good my car doesn't have ESP. So it's then, "....... well best thing to do is bring it in and we'll plug it in to see if there's a software update due..." And "...... if that doesn't work, I'm not sure where that leaves us, have you spoken to CS yet?....." So I say no, I've kept it between you and me so far.

So, although whatever it is that's wrong (I'm being obtuse) only affects cars like mine, but it seems they can't be sure if there's a fix. As I said, all very vague.

My hope is that this vagueness is all part of the smoke and mirrors that seems to be going on. My guess is that FIAT are assuming most people won't bother with this until their next service, and then they'll quietly put the cars right under the radar. For those of us who do kick up a fuss, it's "well, we don't know if there's a problem, but bring it in anyway and we'll see if we can fix it" For most people if the car's fixed when they drive away, they will just be pleased and that's the end of it, again sorted under the radar.
Anyway, we shall see what happens on the 13th.......... unlucky for some, so it must be lucky for others.
 
Hey guys, this is Alex from Chile. I've been following the forum for some time now, since I bought my 2015 Fiat 500c 1.2 Pop Euro5 in december. I also had a 2012 500 1.2 Pop Euro4, and I did notice a slight difference of power between both units. Nothing terrible, but I think in both cases, the 1.2 lacks power under some circumstances, so I can't imagine how bad it got with the Euro6 mapping update.

We're still getting the Euro5 1.2 68hp and the 1.4 100hp petrol engines in Chile so we're still safe. Like some other car manufacturers have done, Fiat should've had discontinued the 1.2 since it's too dated right now and they already have technologies to get low emissions and nice fuel economy without compromising the performace too much (see 0.9 twinair engine).

I'm glad some of you already got a solution for this issue.

See you around !! :eek:
 
My car's been in, checked and guess what........ nothing wrong with it. Dealer suggests I contact CS as "it helps"

Right now, I can't be bloody bothered.

Very annoying for you I'm sure.

I can fully appreciate you can't be arsed to contact CS (I have little confidence it'll make any difference either), but I would still get it done and get yourself a ticket number.

That way it's on the system and is at least known within Fiat.

On a separate note, took my little girl to the doctor's the other day and there was a copy of Autocar there. Had a small article about the new Suzuki Celerio which reportedly had some issues with the brakes not working:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/suzuki-celerio-brake-failure-recall-work-begins-updated

Just thought it was quite a refreshing comment from Suzuki about the problem. Complete contrast to Fiat's approach!:eek:
 
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