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Seriously? Ive got a crossover type car with the same. Id have thought the 500 was better than that.
Ditto. I was a tad shocked.
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Thats probably similar to a shopping cart! haha. shows you how awful the fiat 500 is at speed.
In the end of the day, it is designed for pootling around town at 30 mph.
In the end of the day, it is designed for pootling around town at 30 mph.
Again not really, its designed to look retro and like the original 500.
If it were only designed for pootling around town there wouldn't have been a Diesel option for starters.
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It's shaped like it is because that's what it is. Maybe the next one will be sleeker and less tall, but as a result less 500 looking if that makes sense. I have no issues at any speed. You just need the right model/engine. Clearly the ancient 1.2 needs to be retired.
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at any speed? haha maybe you drive too slow because my Fiat 500 feels MUCH different than a BMW 1 series at 80 mph.
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Undoubtedly, it has significantly more power for a start - at that speed the 500 is pretty close to its cruising limit.
Perhaps we need to consider the 500's versatility in being able to do town work, country lanes and motorways pretty competently on the whole rather than rubbish the car for poor aerodynamics and high speed performance.
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And a BMW 1 series would feel different to all sorts of other cars. When I first picked up my car I was impressed how effortless it was at the legal limit and way above. ( empty private road of course ). The 500 is what it is and of course there are far more practical and sensible cars out there. It'll be interesting to see how the similarly priced new Twingo fares.
The 'ancient' 1.2 engine is a damn good engine in it's earlier incarnations, it's just in it's most recent Euro6 compliant guise that there are any issues.....
Try a RWD BMW 1 series in the snow or ice on std tyres and see how much you love it then.........
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Read forward motion impossible.... sideways exit into ditch unavoidable.
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Well, I didn't refer to the Euro 6 version, but that was my reason for saying it might be time to retire it.
I've personally only had two experiences of the 1.2 - 2004 Panda, brilliant and 2008 500, not nearly so good despite the extra 9hp. Always found the the old 1.1 Fire to be a nice revvy little motor in the old Uno and Mk1 Punto.
Where do you get that figure from?
Just a quick Google brought this up.
http://pub43.bravenet.com/faq/show.php?usernum=3629891555&catid=9907#q2
They say 0.325
Where do they get that figure from?
Who is correct?
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Mick
That link would appear to take you to data for the US 500.
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I'm a hypermiller, one of those people who gets 800-1300km out of a single tank, I accelerate hard and drive at the speed limit.
I've gotten very sensitive to small changes, for example I bought the most aerodynamic roof rack (Thule wing bar) and can still tell by the way the vehicle coasts whether or not they're on.
Where CD data doesn't exist (I have a six car fleet) I do my own coast down testing and calculate CD from that.
My 1994 Suzuki has a similar weight, similar CD to the 500 and coasts much the same. For this reason I believe the .359 figure I've seen most often as per Fiat's own 500e press release:
http://www.netcarshow.com/fiat/2014-500e/
The 500e gets that down to .311 thanks to a new bumper, undertray, rear wing, mirror caps and smooth wheels. Bare in mind that the cooling package of an ICE accounts for roughly 30% of total drag (according to Volvo).
Finally, the 0.325 figure is only found in one place (an erroneous forum post):
https://www.google.com/search?q=fia...utf-8&aq=t&rls=Palemoon:en-US&client=palemoon
The 0.359 figure is all over the place:
https://www.google.com/search?num=3....0.msedr...0...1c..58.serp..1.0.0.dIMVjoRsdEc
Also worth noting that CD figures aren't concrete. Like dyno figures or official MPG results they're subject to operator bias, instrumentation accuracy, and wind tunnel sophistication.
For example to date I believe only Mercedes has the ability to test it's cars with wheels spinning (which increases CD). The others will include a fudge factory which may well be in their own favour.
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Good answer!
Thank you, that's much clearer.
Regards to all,
Mick
Thank you, that's much clearer.
Regards to all,
Mick
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HYPERMILER!
Boy, don't they get some fancy names nowadays for something every cost-conscious sensible motorist has been doing since the wheel was invented!
Boy, don't they get some fancy names nowadays for something every cost-conscious sensible motorist has been doing since the wheel was invented!
So are you saying you get up to 1300km out of your 0.9 twinair while driving at 100kph? 2.7litres per 100km AND you accelerate hard! Doesn't seem right to me, or are you talking about one of our other cars? I would be very pleased to get a theoretical 800km out of our new twinair, which in practice would be nearer to 700km, by the time one refuelled without the gauge reading empty.
