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Will switching them off in dash turn the warning off?[/QUOTE said:
Sorry I don't have first hand experience as our car is only 3 weeks young and I haven't had the need to try this -
it was just a thought for the OP to try instead of testing every fuse.

So I guess it depends on what the "turning off" in the menu actually does to the Canbus
One would hope that it turns the whole DRL shebang off - completely
and thus would not look at testing the circuitry or the globes as it is not supposed to be working

OTOH it might just not tell them to switch on but still remain in test procedures and will unfortunately not help

Although not a big deal for the OP to try and if it works, it will at least will give him breathing space to the next round of fuse testing or someone here on the forum coming forth with the relevant experience
Surely someone else must have struck this problem in the past ??
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jrkitching said:
We are all trying to help, but it's a bit unrealistic to expect us to be able to fix your car, sight unseen, whilst working from a laptop in our underwear in the middle of the night.
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Ah! JR, I see you have determined that Daniel was using the American colloquialism for "Pants". That is much better than the picture that jumped into my brain when I first read it. :eek:



Most Easterly Pandas said:
Will switching them off in dash turn the warning off?
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When one of my DRL bulbs failed I switched them off in the menu until I could get round to replacing it and it did get rid of the warning.
 
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grimwau said:
Ah! JR, I see you have determined that Daniel was using the American colloquialism for "Pants". That is much better than the picture that jumped into my brain when I first read it. :eek:





When one of my DRL bulbs failed I switched them off in the menu until I could get round to replacing it and it did get rid of the warning.
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On a sticky night such as last night, commando isn't really the best option :p
 
grimwau said:
When one of my DRL bulbs failed I switched them off in the menu until I could get round to replacing it and it did get rid of the warning.
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Great Grimwau and thanks
Nice to know a quick way to get rid of the warning light
There is nothing worse than driving with a constant warning light - Well for me anyway

On that same note does anyone know how to either get rid of the "stop/start" warning light when you turn it off with button on the dash or better still, turn the stop/start "off" permanently ?? Car has Dualogic gearbox
With our country type running we don't need it. One stop sign to negotiate in the 15 minute run back to the main drag and rarely have to wait, so the last thing you want is the engine shutting down as it has then to restart immediately

Maybe I should have started a new thread ??
 
Aussie500nut said:
Great Grimwau and thanks
Nice to know a quick way to get rid of the warning light
There is nothing worse than driving with a constant warning light - Well for me anyway

On that same note does anyone know how to either get rid of the "stop/start" warning light when you turn it off with button on the dash or better still, turn the stop/start "off" permanently ?? Car has Dualogic gearbox
With our country type running we don't need it. One stop sign to negotiate in the 15 minute run back to the main drag and rarely have to wait, so the last thing you want is the engine shutting down as it has then to restart immediately

Maybe I should have started a new thread ??
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Yes, there's a button on the dash to switch the light off, you've already pressed it once, press it again.
 
306maxi said:
Yes, there's a button on the dash to switch the light off, you've already pressed it once, press it again.
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306Maxi
Many thanks
Will give it a go later this morning - 7.00am here right now

Appreciated, as mentioned in last post, pet hate is a permanent idiot light
 
Aussie500nut said:
306Maxi
Many thanks
Will give it a go later this morning - 7.00am here right now

Appreciated, as mentioned in last post, pet hate is a permanent idiot light
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It's just a notification light, personally I'd just get used to it, it's not indicating a fault.

If I had Start&Stop I'd never turn it off, all this talk of it being dangerous, but no one has to my knowledge posted about a time when it's put them in danger, even when S&S isn't functioning properly, the failsafe mode means that the car just keeps on running which is exactly what cars did before S&S and is exactly what the car does when you turn S&S off.

I just can't see any logical reason for turning it off if you ask me......
 
I agree, so what if it only turns off for a few seconds, the battery and starter are built for it so use it. The only time I turn it off is when I need to be in a car, stationary, for extended periods in cold weather as the windows mist up without the aircon running.
 
scout500 said:
I agree, so what if it only turns off for a few seconds, the battery and starter are built for it so use it. .
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First up - I agree that the "start/stop" is a great feature on the car and was quite amused by it on our first test drive which was in a manual. With the manual it only shuts down if you put the gearbox into neutral, thus you have a degree on control over when it works.

On the Dualogic the shut down is initiated by the car coming to a complete stop and the brake being depressed, the later being necessary to achieve the former, so it will shut down every time at a stop sign.

So at our one and only "stop" sign, where in better than 90% of the times there is no need for the engine to shut down as it is a stop and go manouvre, it is bluddy annoying and completely unnecessary

If it was a manual, by putting the car into 1st gear just as it comes to a complete stop would prevent this from happening, but I can't see a way to over-ride it in the Dualogic, apart from turning it "off".

So then it generally stays "off" to avoid having to continually turn it on and off depending on where we are. Guess start/stop is not as user friendly with the Dualogic
If I am wrong on this please let me know

Most Easterly Pandas,
Don't agree that it is like turning the DRLs off as it has no visual or other effect visible outside the vehicle
The DRLs are a definitive safety device, and I have stated else where on another post that I agree with having them on small cars like the 500
Guess that's why they have been mandated in some countries
 
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Aussie500nut said:
If it was a manual, by putting the car into 1st gear just as it comes to a complete stop would prevent this from happening, but I can't see a way to over-ride it in the Dualogic, apart from turning it "off".

So then it generally stays "off" to avoid having to continually turn it on and off depending on where we are. Guess start/stop is not as user friendly with the Dualogic
If I am wrong on this please let me know
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Yes, S/S would be a PITA in a Dualogic, I suggest disconnecting and reconnecting the negative lead and IBS connector (no tools needed, just unplug them). Because you normally have to follow a specific connection procedure to initiallise S/S, it should prevent S/S working from that point on and without the indicator light. If at a later date you want to get it working again, just follow the correct procedure.
 
UFI said:
Yes, S/S would be a PITA in a Dualogic, I suggest disconnecting and reconnecting the negative lead and IBS connector (no tools needed, just unplug them). Because you normally have to follow a specific connection procedure to initiallise S/S, it should prevent S/S working from that point on and without the indicator light. If at a later date you want to get it working again, just follow the correct procedure.
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Wouldn't SS failure light come on if it cannot function due to IBS being disconnected :confused:
 
Reconnect the IBS as well, the idea is to fool the car into thinking the battery is not fully charged. I don't know what happens if you drive with IBS disconnected, but I would think it's not a good idea. I'm going to try feed IBS a false signal to see if S/S will work with my LiFE battery.
 
Aussie500nut said:
Most Easterly Pandas,
Don't agree that it is like turning the DRLs off as it has no visual or other effect visible outside the vehicle
The DRLs are a definitive safety device, and I have stated else where on another post that I agree with having them on small cars like the 500
Guess that's why they have been mandated in some countries
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DRL's are great in low light or on overcast days, they make a lot of sense in Europe, but not so much in Australia. To get any safety benefit you really have to be running low beams during the day in bright light. The 500's DRLs just aren't that bright unlike say Mercedes or Audi. I used to always drive with low beams on until I realised how much fuel that costs. I'd like to convert my 500's fogs to DRL, but like everything on a 500, modfications can be a pain.
 
UFI said:
DRL's are great in low light or on overcast days, they make a lot of sense in Europe, but not so much in Australia. To get any safety benefit you really have to be running low beams during the day in bright light. The 500's DRLs just aren't that bright unlike say Mercedes or Audi. I used to always drive with low beams on until I realised how much fuel that costs. I'd like to convert my 500's fogs to DRL, but like everything on a 500, modfications can be a pain.
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How much does it cost to use dipped beams in all driving? I do this (in my Ka = no Drl) and haven't noticed any difference.
 
UFI said:
DRL's are great in low light or on overcast days, they make a lot of sense in Europe, but not so much in Australia. To get any safety benefit you really have to be running low beams during the day in bright light. The 500's DRLs just aren't that bright unlike say Mercedes or Audi. I used to always drive with low beams on until I realised how much fuel that costs. I'd like to convert my 500's fogs to DRL, but like everything on a 500, modfications can be a pain.
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I agree that in Australia you really do want low beams, but in the UK they're fine, we've also got a 'moron' class of driver who thinks that parking lights are what's best at dusk, these people should be shot in front of their families tbh
 
KaZetec said:
How much does it cost to use dipped beams in all driving? I do this (in my Ka = no Drl) and haven't noticed any difference.
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It's around 2MPG in a small car, but like you say you won't notice unless you really try to measure it. Larger cars will have an even smaller effect. 2MPG isn't a lot and if I weren't gunning for 60MPG I probably wouldn't worry.
 
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UFI said:
It's around 2MPG in a small car, but like you say you won't notice unless you really try to measure it. Larger cars will have an even smaller effect. 2MPG isn't a lot and if I weren't gunning for 60MPG I probably wouldn't worry.
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I've really tried to measure it and can honestly say I notice no difference, be it our 1.0 Yaris, 1.1 mk2 Panda's, or 769cc mk2 Panda's.

Same with AC also from personal experience, but thats for another thread.
 
306maxi said:
we've also got a 'moron' class of driver who thinks that parking lights are what's best at dusk, these people should be shot in front of their families tbh
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I liked this post but wish I could like more than once as one of my pet soap boxes is "If its dark enough to warrent using lights then it should be dipped beam because if the moron with the side (parking) lights on is in front of a car with headlights on then they become invisable" and don't get me started on driving in fog with no lights or side lights only. One thing I love about the 500 is that when you turn on the lights you have no option, its dipped beam or nothing.
 
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