Technical Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

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Technical Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

The one is this link is cheap and really you shouldn't be paying any more than the price listed for supply only. Always check with the supplier first though before buying to make sure it is the right one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-CONDENSER-AIR-CON-RADIATOR-FORD-KA-2008-TO-2016-FIAT-500-500C-PANDA-/271167453420?hash=item3f22d6f8ec:g:XJIAAOSwqu9U2jHF

That's cheap, but in the OP's position I'd be sorely tempted to find an A/C specialist who'll supply & fit. These ultracheap eBay parts can be good value, but there is also some absolute rubbish out there and if it does fail, and you've sourced it yourself, then even if you manage to get a refund on the part, you'll still have to pay two sets of labour charges, and that's the expensive bit. If you go the supply & fit route and it goes wrong later, then the supplier will have to sort it at their expense. A/C specialists are well of the difference between good value and rubbish, and won't fit anything that's likely to cause them warranty issues later.

If you're doing it yourself, then it can often be worth paying a bit more for a better quality part - you're already saving £££ on the labour and I don't like having to do stuff twice. Sometimes I like to go in person to a factor with a choice of parts, so I can see & feel the quality of what I'm buying.

Forget about OEM for this part - the Fiat one lists at £385 or some such silly figure and we already know how good they are from the condition of the one that's on the OP's car now. The apparent ready availability of aftermarket condensers is somewhat indicative of the likely lifespan of the OEM ones, though in fairness this is one of the parts most likely to be damaged in even a quite minor front end collision, so there'll always be something of a demand for them.
 
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On models with manual climate control, if A/C is selected off, the compressor won't run, irrespective of the position of the other controls.

That said, all you need to do is to use the car as normal. If the condenser gives up the ghost, the refrigerant will quickly be lost and then the compressor won't run regardless of what you've selected. The low pressure sensor will activate and prevent it from operating.

£600 for a £90 part that'll take an hour at most to fix - they're having a laugh.

Thank you. That's fab. The only reason I wondered was because I read this last night..
 

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Wow this thread is a mishmash of confusing information!
JNAnderson

Your condenser is badly damaged and in all my years of having worked on aircon systems, I've not seen one like that that's not been damaged by somebody doing something to it. It really shouldn't sag like that even with all the fins knocked out of it. The aluminium is very light so no weight to pull it down, the structure of the fins creates a ridged shape and the high pressure gas inside also ads structure to it, like a balloon you can deform it with out it bouncing back. You'll be lucky however to be able to prove who or what has caused it.

If it works, don't fret about replacing it, it might be bent and buckled but if the air con still works then it's a waste of money to replace it.

If all the gas leaked out because of the damaged condenser, you'll need to change it to get it working again.
scare mongering corrections:-your compressor is not going to stop working or become damaged if the gas leaks out and you don't use the aircon for a few months.
As indicated the compressor won't work without gas in the system, there is a fair amount of oil in the system and it pools in the compressor. Only after a very prolonged period where the oil has been able to leak or dry out would you see any compressor problems. I'd say get it fixed in the next 12 months after the leak developing and you'll be ok.

Receiver/dryers, well we never ever used to replace these, it's a great new was to part people from their money.

When you vacuum an air conditioner the removal of the air inside the system done prior to refilling, will cause any moisture to boil, this can then be sucked out with the rest of the vacuum, any decent specialist will do a vacuum hold to check for leaks, after 30 minutes with no atmosphere any moisture will have been removed from the system.

You can quite happily get away with using the old condenser, as long as pipes haven't been disconnected and left open to the elements, even then I've used an old condenser, dryer and compressor from 3 different scrap yard cars,to recommission a knackered aircnditioning system and it ran fine for years woot fault and without needing any additional work.
 
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Wow this thread is a mishmash of confusing information!
JNAnderson

Your condenser is badly damaged and in all my years of having worked on aircon systems, I've not seen one like that that's not been damaged by somebody doing something to it. It really shouldn't sag like that even with all the fins knocked out of it. The aluminium is very light so no weight to pull it down, the structure of the fins creates a ridged shape and the high pressure gas inside also ads structure to it, like a balloon you can deform it with out it bouncing back. You'll be lucky however to be able to prove who or what has caused it.

If it works, don't fret about replacing it, it might be bent and buckled but if the air con still works then it's a waste of money to replace it.

If all the gas leaked out because of the damaged condenser, you'll need to change it to get it working again.
scare mongering corrections:-your compressor is not going to stop working or become damaged if the gas leaks out and you don't use the aircon for a few months.
As indicated the compressor won't work without gas in the system, there is a fair amount of oil in the system and it pools in the compressor. Only after a very prolonged period where the oil has been able to leak or dry out would you see any compressor problems. I'd say get it fixed in the next 12 months after the leak developing and you'll be ok.

Receiver/dryers, well we never ever used to replace these, it's a great new was to part people from their money.

When you vacuum an air conditioner the removal of the air inside the system done prior to refilling, will cause any moisture to boil, this can then be sucked out with the rest of the vacuum, any decent specialist will do a vacuum hold to check for leaks, after 30 minutes with no atmosphere any moisture will have been removed from the system.

You can quite happily get away with using the old condenser, as long as pipes haven't been disconnected and left open to the elements, even then I've used an old condenser, dryer and compressor from 3 different scrap yard cars,to recommission a knackered aircnditioning system and it ran fine for years woot fault and without needing any additional work.

Thank you. I know it happened in the summer when I noticed the condenser so no point finding out if it was caused by the garage or not (I should've stuck to my gut and asked them at the time if they'd caused it. However I doubt they'd have admitted it), but out of curiosity, how could it be damaged like that, could putting in my new radiator have done it? They wouldn't have done anything to the condenser when I asked them to check for the coolant leak?

Cars are a nightmare! I try to keep on top and get things sorted, but it's one thing after another. I don't want to get a new one though as the only reason I got mine was because I loved the matt black finish, otherwise I'd never have got a new car when I did
 
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