Register Login
FIAT Auto Specialist Team
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 15-07-2012   #31
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: abu dhabi
Posts: 29
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Arab Emirates 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by Melanabb View Post
I thing I don't understand: You pay a lot of money for a car in which you spend considerable amount of time and people are stinting on extra pennies that air con uses to keep them nice and confortable? Go figure!
Its either you have something useful to share with us, otherwise no thank you!
__________________
'10 Fiat 500-1.4 lounge
mazenimad is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 15-07-2012   #32
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 3,759
Thanks: 241
Trader Rating: 0
loveshandbags has donated!
Ireland 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by mazenimad View Post
Its either you have something useful to share with us, otherwise no thank you!
I spend a year in the Middle East in 1985 and I vividly remember the A/C stopped working in a Mazda 323. It was unbearable but I didn't delay getting it fixed. I reluctantly returned to UAE on a flight that was won in a raffle and stayed in Dubai and Abu Dhabi for about a week and never saw a Fiat. You mentioned about spending $200 in having another dealer look at it. That sounds like a good idea since July is the second hottest month with temperatures in the high 40s.
IIRC the A/C in the North Amercian 500s has a more 'meaty' compressor and may be more capable at running 'flat out' compared with the European models.
__________________
Still a 500 enthusiast.

Last edited by loveshandbags; 15-07-2012 at 13:15. Reason: $
loveshandbags is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 15-07-2012   #33
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Devon and Umbria
Posts: 2,038
Thanks: 200
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by Melanabb View Post
I thing I don't understand: You pay a lot of money for a car in which you spend considerable amount of time and people are stinting on extra pennies that air con uses to keep them nice and confortable? Go figure!
I'd put it stronger than that - while the comfort is a boon, it's the added safety of having aircon that's important in my view; reduced fatigue on long drives in hot conditions, and mist-free windows in damp/wet conditions are important safety factors. It's also very common to see non-a/c cars with one or more windows wound down in hot weather, increasing noise - and hence fatigue - and hurting aerodynamics - hence reducing the a/c's effect on mpg.
Likes 306maxi liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

babbo_umbro is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 15-07-2012   #34
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 3,759
Thanks: 241
Trader Rating: 0
loveshandbags has donated!
Ireland 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by babbo_umbro View Post
I'd put it stronger than that - while the comfort is a boon, it's the added safety of having aircon that's important in my view; reduced fatigue on long drives in hot conditions, and mist-free windows in damp/wet conditions are important safety factors. It's also very common to see non-a/c cars with one or more windows wound down in hot weather, increasing noise - and hence fatigue - and hurting aerodynamics - hence reducing the a/c's effect on mpg.
Driving in temperatures in excess of 45 degrees and not having A/C IMHO is foolhardy. In relation to the 'effect on mpg' the price of a litre of petrol in UAE is around 0.40 and it's likely that it will be reduced substantially in price. Getting the A/C fixed asap is a bit of a 'no brainer'.
__________________
Still a 500 enthusiast.
loveshandbags is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 15-07-2012   #35
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 4,178
Thanks: 80
Trader Rating: 0
Greece 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by loveshandbags View Post
Driving in temperatures in excess of 45 degrees and not having A/C IMHO is foolhardy. In relation to the 'effect on mpg' the price of a litre of petrol in UAE is around €0.40 and it's likely that it will be reduced substantially in price. Getting the A/C fixed asap is a bit of a 'no brainer'.

Guys with ac on ALL the time in urban driving i get 9.0l/100 km instead of lets say 8.3l/100 km so the difference is barely anything. That comes up to like 5 euros a week more on petrol with 1.7euros a liter = )
In extra urban driving it hardly makes a difference, 0.5l/100km at most.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

ahmett is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 16-07-2012   #36
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: abu dhabi
Posts: 29
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Arab Emirates 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Dropped the car yesterday to the dealer, had a long talk with him and they gave me a car to drive meanwhile, and I can tell you they have no idea what is wrong with my car. So they concluded that changing the A/C compressor and pipes will fix the problem.

Got the car today afternoon, seems like the problem is fixed BUT another one came up!!!!
The old problem was so intense that i actually forgot how the A/C originally felt!

The problem with the new compressor is that if i stop for prolonged periods of time the grill temps increase drastically (becomes warmer). Does that happen to everyone? When the car is running and on highways its perfect.
Can someone please share their thoughts with me
__________________
'10 Fiat 500-1.4 lounge
mazenimad is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 16-07-2012   #37
STOP! Hammer time!
 
306maxi's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Welsh Riviera
Posts: 23,688
Thanks: 845
Trader Rating: 0
306maxi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

the air con will get warmer when there isn't all that air going over the condenser. Sounds like it's working fine
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

306maxi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 16-07-2012   #38
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Devon and Umbria
Posts: 2,038
Thanks: 200
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Sounds fine to me - if you think about it, you've got a heat exchange system - if you make one part cold another part is bound to get hot - a fridge gives out a fair quantity of warm air.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

babbo_umbro is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 16-07-2012   #39
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: abu dhabi
Posts: 29
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: 0
United Arab Emirates 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by 306maxi View Post
the air con will get warmer when there isn't all that air going over the condenser. Sounds like it's working fine
Quote Originally Posted by babbo_umbro View Post
Sounds fine to me - if you think about it, you've got a heat exchange system - if you make one part cold another part is bound to get hot - a fridge gives out a fair quantity of warm air.
Thanx alot really appreciate the swift replies from everyone here now am happy
__________________
'10 Fiat 500-1.4 lounge
mazenimad is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 16-06-2014   #40
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Midsomer Norton
Posts: 96
Thanks: 1
Blog Entries: 1
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Just for info I have just replaced my AC condenser now 7 years old as the old one was perished and worn through as it's in the front. I removed the front bumper about an hours work(easy) and the local AC chap bolted on the new unit (73 EBay) he charged 78 to vac the system refill the lub/oil, dye and re-gas. Whilst I had the bumper off I lined the inside with a mesh to reduce stone damage to the new condenser.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	72
Size:	1.69 MB
ID:	138712  
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

Edtheted is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 17-06-2014   #41
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,386
Thanks: 136
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by Edtheted View Post
......he charged 78 to vac the system refill the lub/oil, dye and re-gas. Whilst I had the bumper off I lined the inside with a mesh to reduce stone damage to the new condenser.
Whilst I am pleased for you than you now have a new condenser and all is working ok, the price you paid for the aircon service was too much. I paid 50 just six weeks ago at an aircon only specialist place here in the East Midlands for a vac, leak test, lub oil, dye and regas and that was on a very large diesel car.

As for the mesh, nice idea, but to be honest, the Zunsport grille will do an excellent job and is a lot less messing about, though probably your mesh idea is a lot cheaper lol!. Am I daft, or have is your car something other than a 500?
Likes JimL liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 17-06-2014   #42
STOP! Hammer time!
 
306maxi's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Welsh Riviera
Posts: 23,688
Thanks: 845
Trader Rating: 0
306maxi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Yes, but you would have been charged more if it included fitting a new condenser...... He's had a good deal.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

306maxi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 17-06-2014   #43
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,386
Thanks: 136
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by 306maxi View Post
Yes, but you would have been charged more if it included fitting a new condenser...... He's had a good deal.
I disagree. Notwithstanding the cost of the new condenser which was a given, the fitting of it didn't cost him anything except his time. The actual cost of the vac/regas etc is I am afraid, expensive for what he paid, that is all I am saying. You may think it was a good deal, I don't.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 17-06-2014   #44
STOP! Hammer time!
 
306maxi's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Welsh Riviera
Posts: 23,688
Thanks: 845
Trader Rating: 0
306maxi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

I don't know if you're aware, but some people have been known to charge for their time?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

306maxi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 17-06-2014   #45
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,386
Thanks: 136
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Air Conditioning Condenser Fault

Quote Originally Posted by 306maxi View Post
I don't know if you're aware, but some people have been known to charge for their time?
Yes maxi, I am aware of that. And I'll actually suck back a bit on my earlier post. What I was driving at was that the actual cost of the regas service is in my very humble opinion, over inflated if it was carried out on a 500. I can't actually tell what Edtheted's car is because from the photo, it doesn't look like the front end is off a 500? The size of the car will have a bearing on the cost of the regas, my own car for instance takes 685 grams of refrigerant and I'm hedging my bets the 500 is significantly less. If Edtheted's car takes over 750g of gas, then the money he paid is spot on.

Notwithstanding the above, I should of course take into account price variations throughout the country and I do accept that the equipment used to carry out the service isn't exactly cheap and to be honest, neither is refrigerant, lub oil etc. Still, replacement condensers aside, it is still well worth having an aircon service every couple of years though I accept for many people, spending money on their car comes way down the list of priorities.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(T) Air Conditioning fault stu1969 Grande Punto 2 03-09-2012 20:43
(T) Noisy Air-Conditioning (air con) Advice wanted caprimancars Punto (Mk2/2b) 1 29-06-2009 20:52
(T) Air con condenser SGThirkell Multipla 4 22-05-2009 19:37
(T) Air con condenser replacement.... dazzle Marea 0 18-07-2005 14:49