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2nd Hand 500's

Hi guys,

Just looking for some advice, my girlfriend is looking at getting aa fiat 500 but has only about 8000 to spend so will be looking at second hand ones.

is there any advice at what i should be looking out for, any advice on second hand 500's?

mainly looking at a 1.2 pop with bluetooth ad on or a lounge, as bluetooth is a must really, shes already been caught using her mobile once!!!!

anyway any info would be appreciated.
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Get one with Blue&Me. It's the single best thing I've ever optioned on a car.
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yeah i have it in my giulietta.think the best we have seen so far is a 59 plate with 19,000 miles on the clock for 6,900.
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Re: 2nd Hand 500's

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Hi guys,

Just looking for some advice, my girlfriend is looking at getting aa fiat 500 but has only about 8000 to spend so will be looking at second hand ones.

is there any advice at what i should be looking out for, any advice on second hand 500's?

mainly looking at a 1.2 pop with bluetooth ad on or a lounge, as bluetooth is a must really, shes already been caught using her mobile once!!!!

anyway any info would be appreciated.
Looking around my area (West Sussex) 8k will get you a 2010 1.2 pop (on a 10 plate) with 18,000 on the clock
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Re: 2nd Hand 500's

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Hi guys,

Just looking for some advice, my girlfriend is looking at getting aa fiat 500 but has only about 8000 to spend so will be looking at second hand ones.

is there any advice at what i should be looking out for, any advice on second hand 500's?

mainly looking at a 1.2 pop with bluetooth ad on or a lounge, as bluetooth is a must really, shes already been caught using her mobile once!!!!

anyway any info would be appreciated.
This may be controversial, but my advice would be to forget it - IMO secondhand 500's are about the worst value-for-money used cars you'll find on the forecourt. The car's popularity has kept residuals high & in consequence the prices currently being asked for a 2 yr old car are way too close to the cost of buying new - negotiation should get you a new 1.2 pop for about 9k & you'll almost certainly get more than the difference back when you come to sell it on.

Bear in mind that a 2yr old car is almost certain to need new front brakes, tyres, battery & exhaust over the next 3yrs, and it will only take one significant out-of-warranty breakdown to wipe out the whole of the saving you'll make over buying new. It's all too easy to end up with someone else's problem & the gaps in used car warranties leave some very expensive holes to fall into.

If your g/f really can't swing the extra cash, consider buying one of the last of the old model MyLife Pandas - essentially the same car as a 1.2 500 pop, but better equipped (you'll get A/C + alloys as standard) - and available brand new with a 3yr warranty for under 7k OTR .

Used cars make a lot of sense if you're buying a large motorway cruiser which has lost half its value in the first 18 months, but given current residuals, the 500 is IMO one to buy new unless you've an inside track on an unusually good deal.
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In all honesty I wouldn't worry about buying used. They're mostly tough little cars.

- New front brakes and discs are a 200 diy job.
- Batteries are cheap and plentiful. Mine lasted 4 years before it died and even then only because I left the hazards on for a few hours when asked to leave the scene of an exploding van.
- Exhausts are crappy, I'll admit. I had a cat back stainless installed for about 340. A mates 2004 panda 1.2 just passed its mot and the exhaust is still fine. Depends on mileage and therefore usage.
- Tyres are cheap. Toyo T1R's in 195/50 15" are 35

Out of warranty breakdowns aren't the end of the world. Buy one with a full service history and if you're worried buy an AA warranty or the like for it. Honestly, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a used one but then I'm in the market for a Series 1 Lotus Elise at the moment so my thoughts on what constitutes reliability might be a tad skewed
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Its totally gonna look like i work for motorpoint due to my post in another thread which i don't btw. But check out their site they've got loads of 500's for very reasonable prices and theres quite a few in your price range.
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Its totally gonna look like i work for motorpoint due to my post in another thread which i don't btw. But check out their site they've got loads of 500's for very reasonable prices and theres quite a few in your price range.
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Tachbrook Autopark (Mazda dealers) In Leamington Spa are advertising 61 plate delivery mileage lounges and sports from 8999 to 9499 (via ebay)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-FIAT-...item35baea9807
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This may be controversial, but my advice would be to forget it - IMO secondhand 500's are about the worst value-for-money used cars you'll find on the forecourt. The car's popularity has kept residuals high & in consequence the prices currently being asked for a 2 yr old car are way too close to the cost of buying new - negotiation should get you a new 1.2 pop for about 9k & you'll almost certainly get more than the difference back when you come to sell it on.

Bear in mind that a 2yr old car is almost certain to need new front brakes, tyres, battery & exhaust over the next 3yrs, and it will only take one significant out-of-warranty breakdown to wipe out the whole of the saving you'll make over buying new. It's all too easy to end up with someone else's problem & the gaps in used car warranties leave some very expensive holes to fall into.

If your g/f really can't swing the extra cash, consider buying one of the last of the old model MyLife Pandas - essentially the same car as a 1.2 500 pop, but better equipped (you'll get A/C + alloys as standard) - and available brand new with a 3yr warranty for under 7k OTR .

Used cars make a lot of sense if you're buying a large motorway cruiser which has lost half its value in the first 18 months, but given current residuals, the 500 is IMO one to buy new unless you've an inside track on an unusually good deal.
With the OP's stated budget I quite agree with you regarding getting a new 500 if poss.

Anything over two years old essentially has no warranty left anyway (as we've seen with so many examples of third year faults not being covered on here).

However I do think there is a decent chance of getting a good deal on a 1.2 Pop (particularly in BNW) as they aren't exactly the rarest of cars
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With a budget of 8k wouldn't she be better off putting 3.5k into a new one, getting a PCP/iDeal deal and sticking the rest in the bank to make payments with?

I'm sure a FIAT dealer would do a good deal on a 500 pop or lounge with that sort of deposit and very low APR. Plus you'd get 500 deposit contribution from FIAT making her money go even further.

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I turned my nose up to a 7 month old twin air at 9495 and
bought a new twinair plus as it was not a lot different in price for me.

Something you should take into consideration if you have the full cash to buy outright is the current finance deals offered by Fiat.

The ideal pcp can be had with nigh on 0% finance. So put your 10,000 cash
into a high interest account and make 750 or so off it over three years and take the pcp.

If you don't have the cash to buy then the interest rate you will get on finance on the used car will add 1000 to 1500 to your overall cost.

All this should be taken into account.
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Having past up 2 seperate opportunities of buying a spanking new 1.2 Pop (scrappage scheme in 2010 and with it being extended in 2011) I bought secondhand TWICE on each ocassion.

Key factors for me was wanting more power with a bigger engine (wasn't prepared to pay an extra 2K from new for it) and a better spec with A/C, B&Me, etc. etc (again another 2K). In the UK it's 1,200.

I sold the last 500 for good money (had a little fear that prices were going to 'dive' but they haven't) that had been speced to the eyeballs (FW, CC, Lounge, 16s, A-Bar, etc.) and appreciated the extras over a standard Pop.

If I was after a TwinAir model there's little choice out there (aside from a TA Pop) but with a 1.2 Lounge BNW in plentiful supply it would be hard to pass up on the value in a 2011 Lounge model at 9K as already posted by blitz7287. They might be lacking in the 'right' spec e.g. white ambiance but one could 'live' with that.

Away from the main dealer's forecourt the weak 3rd warranty is having an impact on secondhand prices. As of late in Ireland the 'supply' that was here 1-2 months ago has dried up. UK has a much better choice/supply so if I was the OP I would make the most of it.
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thnks for all your help.

never been a fan of getting anything on finance, always been the frame of mind of getting what you can afford.

for me its just reliability im a bit worried about, the best price is for a 59 plate at 6900 but not sure if that is a bit too old, does anyone know if there have been many problems with 59 plates or older? its only done 19000 miles so seems pretty decent to me.
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Common list of things that go wrong:

- Wiring to the boot (check the boot handle releases the hatch)
- Breather pipe splits
- Brakes worn
- Leather on steering wheel split
- Hydraulic seals on clutch cylinders go (rare-ish, tends to be early 2008 models)

Check if those are ok and/or ask for proof from the dealer that they've been looked at/replaced where required.

On a personal note, I can tell you that at higher mileage and harder use cycles you can go through:

- Clutch release bearings at 60k annoying because the clutch is fine, its just the bearing, has happened to a few pandas as well
- Front suspension arm bushes at 50k (268! + fitting)
- Front bearings at 40k but not bad at 35 each + fitting
- Exhaust starts to rot, gets terminal at about 50k (replacements depends what you want to replace it with)
- Top mounts, I've replaced front ones twice at 80 each but you shouldn't need this unless you're really punishing the beast
- Shocks get floppier at about 60k miles, not too expensive at 80 konis or KYBs
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