Technical Twin Air Oil Change/Service.

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Technical Twin Air Oil Change/Service.

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My dealer told me this doesn't need its first service and oil change until two years or 18,000 miles are up.

I'm quite surprised about that, especially the oil change bearing in mind it's a small capacity turbocharged engine.

Any thoughts?

BTW, been away for a while- I'm sure you all missed me! :D
 
It's your personal choice at the end of the day.

I personally wouldn't ever go 18k or two years before a first service irrespective of what a dealer may tell you.

Lots of stuff already posted on the very subject you have raised.
 
My dealer told me this doesn't need its first service and oil change until two years or 18,000 miles are up.

I'm quite surprised about that, especially the oil change bearing in mind it's a small capacity turbocharged engine.

Any thoughts?

BTW, been away for a while- I'm sure you all missed me! :D

Hi TwinAir Newbie and welcome back from your 'mini' break. (y)

As Frupi said there have been a few threads on this lately the most recent is here which contains the 'other' threads.

I gather that your TA is now 12 months old and I would guess that it has done between 10K-12K miles.

Relevant post is here and on the most recent 500 manual the following is stated....
If the vehicle is mainly used for city driving or has an annual mileage of less than 10,000km, the engine oil and engine oil filter should be changed every 12 months.

Some Fiat garages were offering specials on low mileage services (e.g. Airton in Tallaght, Dublin - too far for you !) but an oil & filter change is just on 'oil change' on the service book.

When I checked out how long turbos lasted it appears that it is all dependant on regular oil changes. To cut costs you could always opt for the 'Fiat' supplied oil and not the Selenia one since you will be changing it again at 18K along with the other filters and the spark plugs. Other option is to get the oil yourself but I would suggest a Fiat supplied oil filter and have a VAT registered garage fit it. You could chance doing it yourself but if Frupi can get his done for £87 ? I'm not too sure I'd bother.
 
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I agree, and sorry for the duplication of the subject matter.

Sorry mate if I came across as being a little unhelpful (that's what it looks like to me this morning!) I didn't realise how grumpy and tired I was last night!

I just didn't want to go repeating a lot of stuff I've already posted. Loveshandbags has obviously, helpfully, chucked in a couple of links and I appreciate you've now probably read the stuff.

It's interesting though just reading through other forum members posts concerning servicing. They can be quite extreme, from changing the oil in the first few hundred miles, to waiting anything up to two years before a first service because the service manual or the dealer says 18k. I'm not sure that even Fiat would argue that a vehicle should be serviced at least once a year, whether that be on a low mileage service plan or a main service. Clearly, many owners will achieve 18k in the first year, hence the mileage that Fiat have set their own recommendations at.

As vehicles are physically unable to care for themselves, it is incumbent on the owner to look after it to the best of their ability. Safety is personally my own main priority. If I get the car serviced every 12 months, then I can be confident (as much as I can be) that it has been checked for safety (brakes, steering, tyres etc). That just makes me feel better especially if I'm carrying passengers because their safety whilst traveling in my vehicle is my responsibility. I couldn't personally use the argument that just because a car is 'brand new' from the showroom, that there's no need to ensure basic safety checks are carried out at least yearly. Clearly some new cars do have problems from new, some safety related too, hence occasional recalls by some manufacturers.

Obviously owners will all have their own little quirks about what they believe should or shouldn't be done. I have my own. Engine flush as an example. Always used it at oil changes on my previous cars. Forum advice is don't use it, not recommended by Fiat. Local Fiat/Alfa indy near me, uses it because they tell me they do. I had our POP serviced at the main dealer and they didn't use it because it isn't recommended. I accept from both forum users and Fiat that using engine flush is definitely not in the best interest of the engine. Still won't stop me from using engine flush in my Dodge Neon still sat quietly in the garage though!

I think if owners are serious about looking after their vehicle (after all, they cost a lot of wedge) then a yearly service routine (obviously sooner if you happen to be popping more than 18k per annum!) is probably, best practice. :)
 
Sorry mate if I came across as being a little unhelpful (that's what it looks like to me this morning!) I didn't realise how grumpy and tired I was last night!

I just didn't want to go repeating a lot of stuff I've already posted. Loveshandbags has obviously, helpfully, chucked in a couple of links and I appreciate you've now probably read the stuff.

It's interesting though just reading through other forum members posts concerning servicing. They can be quite extreme, from changing the oil in the first few hundred miles, to waiting anything up to two years before a first service because the service manual or the dealer says 18k. I'm not sure that even Fiat would argue that a vehicle should be serviced at least once a year, whether that be on a low mileage service plan or a main service. Clearly, many owners will achieve 18k in the first year, hence the mileage that Fiat have set their own recommendations at.

As vehicles are physically unable to care for themselves, it is incumbent on the owner to look after it to the best of their ability. Safety is personally my own main priority. If I get the car serviced every 12 months, then I can be confident (as much as I can be) that it has been checked for safety (brakes, steering, tyres etc). That just makes me feel better especially if I'm carrying passengers because their safety whilst traveling in my vehicle is my responsibility. I couldn't personally use the argument that just because a car is 'brand new' from the showroom, that there's no need to ensure basic safety checks are carried out at least yearly. Clearly some new cars do have problems from new, some safety related too, hence occasional recalls by some manufacturers.

Obviously owners will all have their own little quirks about what they believe should or shouldn't be done. I have my own. Engine flush as an example. Always used it at oil changes on my previous cars. Forum advice is don't use it, not recommended by Fiat. Local Fiat/Alfa indy near me, uses it because they tell me they do. I had our POP serviced at the main dealer and they didn't use it because it isn't recommended. I accept from both forum users and Fiat that using engine flush is definitely not in the best interest of the engine. Still won't stop me from using engine flush in my Dodge Neon still sat quietly in the garage though!

I think if owners are serious about looking after their vehicle (after all, they cost a lot of wedge) then a yearly service routine (obviously sooner if you happen to be popping more than 18k per annum!) is probably, best practice. :)

I didn't take your post as a grumpy one!

Thanks for the update. (y)
 
Rallycinq's price tallies with mine from a couple of weeks ago - £120. They didn't give me any oil for top-ups, but it hasn't needed any in the first 10000 miles. They did, however, provide a precautionary new turbo, as I've reported on other threads.
 
I am going for the 18,000 service on the TA. The fiat garage has quoted £256 inc vat.

£145 for labour if I get the parts. Checked the parts on Shop4parts, not all TA parts are there but estimated cost is £100-110 for Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter & Pollen Filter.

They tell me if water content is below 30% in brake fluid then it can wait till next service, otherwise £70 to replace the brake fluid.

The car has no recall status.

What do you think ?
 
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They tell me if water content is below 30% in brake fluid then it can wait till next service, otherwise £70 to replace the brake fluid.

What do you think ?

Change the brake fluid. With that amount of water in it, the risk of internal corrosion is too great. The cost of replacing calipers or wheel cylinders because the corrosion inhibitors have become exhausted will be far greater than paying now for the fluid to be changed. Whilst it may be good enough to safely stop the car, it may not be good enough to prevent the internal brake system components from corroding.

And try getting a quote from an independent garage - it will likely be significantly cheaper.

I changed the brake fluid myself after about 15 months. Took about a half hour (and that included the clutch, something often overlooked by garages) & it cost me less than a fiver. I'll be doing it again this spring :).
 
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JR - I also looked at changing the clutch fluid after changing the brake fluid, but gave up when I saw how difficult it was to access the bleed screw.

I have a 1.3MJ, your slave cylinder may be more accessible. I seem to remember giving up after removing both the battery and ecu holder and still unable to eyeball the bleed screw.

If any one out there has any tips to share on this one.....
 
JR - I also looked at changing the clutch fluid after changing the brake fluid, but gave up when I saw how difficult it was to access the bleed screw.

I have a 1.3MJ, your slave cylinder may be more accessible. I seem to remember giving up after removing both the battery and ecu holder and still unable to eyeball the bleed screw.

If any one out there has any tips to share on this one.....

Been there, done that .... here.

On the 1.2, the slave cylinder bleed nipple and screw are separate and can't be eyeballed, but if you're prepared to work by feel, it can be done without dismantling anything*. The photos in the link were taken with the battery tray in-situ :).

*though it will help considerably to unbolt the airbox and move it carefully to one side, taking care not to damage the breather hoses.
 
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I'd suggest, if under warranty to call several garages to get the best possible price; if out of warranty, search for reliable independent garage; but whatever you do- don't stint on parts - it might be difference between life and death!

Thanks, TA will be 2 yrs old in March, we have done about 17,000 miles now so better to go with a fiat dealer for warranty. Have taken on Maxi's comments over last 2 yrs about self sourcing service parts, but you know what it needs a bit of preparation to get them in place, phone around and do the good deed for a labour only deal, sadly I am not prepared yet.

I will also try to get the break fluid changed. Btw (techy chaps) how does water get into the break fluid ?
 
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Btw (techy chaps) how does water get into the break fluid ?

Brake fluid is hygroscopic
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy"]hygroscopic[/ame] - which, simply put, means it absorbs moisture from the air.

The air gets in through the vent in the reservoir cap.

Water also gets in the brake fluid from condensation in the airspace in the reservoir when the car is cold. This can be kept to a minimum by ensuring the reservoir is topped up to the MAX mark.

Here is a photo I took of condensation on the surface of the diaphragm under the reservoir cap (clutch reservoir on a 500).
 
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