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Question TwinAir oil and filter change

So I'm planning to change the oil and filter on my TwinAir when it gets to 3000 miles, just to help with the running-in process.

Does anyone have any photos / diagrams of the job? Otherwise I'll have to wait for Mr Haynes' Illustrated Book of Lies to come out in April
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Re: TwinAir oil and filter change

If I remember, I'll take photo's when I do mine in 500 miles.. Oil filter is at the back of the engine on the gearbox end, facing at an angle towards the brake master cylinder, there's an under tray under the front of the car to take off, and then there'll be a sump bolt somewhere at the bottom of the engine.

Easy peasy
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Re: TwinAir oil and filter change

Sorry to say but the new Haynes manual won't cover the TA ( twin air )

So you will have to use the instructions above .
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Re: TwinAir oil and filter change

don't fancy a warranty i take it?
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Re: TwinAir oil and filter change

I'd love to see how they tell I've change the oil on my motor when it's done. OE filter, OE oil, done in an OE way.
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Re: TwinAir oil and filter change

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...done in an OE way.
So you're going to dent the sills, overfill the sump and (if you choose to pay yourself an extra 50), put some nice swirly marks in the paintwork from the 'complimentary' valet .

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I'd love to see how they tell I've change the oil on my motor when it's done.
Actually they just might be able to - at least the first time. Both my 500 & Panda left the factory with a different oil filter to the OEM part used by the main dealer network for servicing. Chris@Souls kindly ran the part number of the original filter through the computer & whilst it's recognised by the system as a genuine FIAT part, it's not orderable by the dealer network & is only used within the factory.

Realistically, though, the chance that anyone would actually check on this is infintessimally small.
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Re: TwinAir oil and filter change

Lol! Yes - I'll thoroughly trash the car and then charge myself rectification fees!

Like you say, the chances of the spotty apprentice seeing that the oil filter isn't the first fit FPT one is quite remote
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...Actually they just might be able to - at least the first time. Both my 500 & Panda left the factory with a different oil filter to the OEM part used by the main dealer network for servicing. Chris@Souls kindly ran the part number of the original filter through the computer & whilst it's recognised by the system as a genuine FIAT part, it's not orderable by the dealer network & is only used within the factory.
Back in the time that I had the MX5 the US had a very active forum - never participated but they were well informed. I thought this would be more fitting here than in the 'Oil in my Fiat' thread.

If one is doing an oil change it would be worthwhile getting a new sump washer. Dragged the picture off the service history attached for the 'new' motor.

http://www.miata.net/faq/faq3.html
What kind of oil/filters should I use in my Miata? How often should I change them?
The Miata Owners Manual recommends 7,500 mile oil changes, 5,000 under "harsh" conditions. Consumer Report magazine thinks this is reasonable as well. Some people like to change the oil more frequently as "cheap insurance." Other people are comfortable going longer. We recommend using the "harsh" schedule.

Synthetics are just fine, but engine treatments and other oil additives are NOT recommended. If you live in an area with extreme temperatures, consult your owners manual for oil and other fluid recommendations. Using genuine Mazda filters is highly recommended. If you change your own oil, you probably noticed the little washer on the drain plug. This washer should be replaced EVERY time you remove the plug because it bends when you tighten the plug and may leak if reused.
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If one is doing an oil change it would be worthwhile getting a new sump washer. Dragged the picture off the service history attached for the 'new' motor.
Does the TA have a sump washer? The 1.2 FIRE most certainly does not - it uses a tapered plug.
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Does the TA have a sump washer? The 1.2 FIRE most certainly does not - it uses a tapered plug.
The T-jet in the MiTo is the same block as the 1368cc in the 1.4. I never changed the oil in the 500 but in the Marea which I've done 2 years in succession has the washer. But if the 1.4 engine hasn't got one it wouldn't be the first time that someone got charged for something that wasn't needed. Did you see the amount of oil that was bought for the T-jet on the invoice.
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Did you see the amount of oil that was bought for the T-jet on the invoice.
I'm not familiar with the 1.4 engine but you only need 2.9 litres for the 1.2. There have been plenty of reports on the forum of FIAT dealerships significantly overfilling the sump and I have first-hand knowledge of one of them.
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I'm not familiar with the 1.4 engine but you only need 2.9 litres for the 1.2. There have been plenty of reports on the forum of FIAT dealerships significantly overfilling the sump and I have first-hand knowledge of one of them.
IIRC it was 2.9 litres for the 500 1368cc. Haven't got the figure for the TA. Screensnap courtesy of FiatUSA500
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don't fancy a warranty i take it?
Well, not necessarily. If the consensus is that it is a bad idea, I might just take it back to the dealer and ask them to do the oil and filter change to stay in the warranty. Then again, I might just risk it.

Good point about the sump washer -- any ideas as to the guage / diameter?
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Well, not necessarily. If the consensus is that it is a bad idea, I might just take it back to the dealer and ask them to do the oil and filter change to stay in the warranty. Then again, I might just risk it.

Good point about the sump washer -- any ideas as to the guage / diameter?
Had a check on the FF and there does appear to be a sump washer on the 1.4 but I don't know about the Twin Air.

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-pun...ug-washer.html

There's a guide on the above thread on changing the oil on a 500 1.2 (principle the same) and JR also did one as well if you wanted to have a go yourself. It would be important to use the exact same filter and oil.
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IIRC it was 2.9 litres for the 500 1368cc. Haven't got the figure for the TA. Screensnap courtesy of FiatUSA500

3.2 l for the TA
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