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Had a search seen about the mangled sills due to sloppy jacking but cant find a definitive where to place your jack thread bar on the silks With the Gp (corsas clone as maxxi calls it) the hand book only shows the sills however there are 4 other points under the car used in the workshop just wondered if the 500 is the same ?
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Re: 500 jacking/ lifting/ axle stand positioning

There are little arrow shaped indentations in the sill which should you where along the length of the car to put them. As for where to put them, there is a bit of the sill that fits perfectly with the slot in the jack. I would go out and take a picture, but someone is meant to be picking up a laptop from me in my little office/cave and hasn't turned up so I'm stuck in my chair

I'm sure RobinPJ or jrkitching will be along soon
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Re: 500 jacking/ lifting/ axle stand positioning

Seen the Indents on the sills where the widow maker sits was thinking more about trolley jacks and stands rather than routering up a bit of wood to go under the sill
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Seen the Indents on the sills where the widow maker sits was thinking more about trolley jacks and stands rather than routering up a bit of wood to go under the sill
Ah OK. I get what you're saying. Perhpas pop into a stealership and ask?

Never seen a 500 on a lift so couldn't say.
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Had a search seen about the mangled sills due to sloppy jacking but cant find a definitive where to place your jack thread bar on the silks With the Gp (corsas clone as maxxi calls it) the hand book only shows the sills however there are 4 other points under the car used in the workshop just wondered if the 500 is the same ?
A 500 in the company of a trolley jack is about as safe as a chicken in the company of a wolf. A lot of cars have been damaged out there and I've heard an anecdotal rumour that AA patrolmen have been instructed to use only the jack supplied by FIAT when wheel changing at the roadside.

FIAT's official technical documentation is hopeless - it just says to use a 4 post lift on the workshop jacking points & absolutely forbids jacking on either the front wishbones or the rear axle.

If you use a trolley jack ANYWHERE on the outer sills, even at the arrowed jacking points, then you'll most likely damage the car. I know from experience that some main dealers raise the car on the inner sills at these points, but this too can cause some (admittedly superficial & non-visible) damage, & it just feels wrong to me to lift a car this way.

So I've had to work this one out for myself. What follows is entirely my own work, it's not endorsed by anyone; so use it at your own risk. It's served me well, though, & I've not had any problems since getting the car.

There are fairly obvious reinforced sections of bodywork at both front and rear (photos attached) on which the car can be safely raised on a trolley jack PROVIDED you use a suitable pad with it. Professional quality trolley jacks often come with a hard rubber pad, which should work fine. If you buy a cheap DIY jack, though, you'll need to improvise something & so I got the router out to fabricate something out of a bit of hardwood I had lying around (more photos).

Be aware that the car could slip off the pad if it's not on a reasonably level surface, so chock the wheels & always use axle stands if any part of you is planning on going underneath the vehicle.

BTW all these comments apply equally to the Panda.
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I know from experience that some main dealers raise the car on the inner sills at these points, but this too can cause some (admittedly superficial & non-visible) damage
In fact if you look closely at this picture, you can see where the inner sills have been slightly bent by lifting the car on them. This was done before I took delivery, most likely by the main dealer during PDI.
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Re: 500 jacking/ lifting/ axle stand positioning

Those pictures look pretty sound. I've fabricated an oak block that mimics the profile of the FIAT jack that I can use my trolley jack on, to jack in the arrowed places. Haven't tried it yet though. If it works, I'll make another and take them both with me when I need new tyres, and supervise the operation. There again, I could just put the wheels in the wife's car and take them to the tyre place!
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I've fabricated an oak block that mimics the profile of the FIAT jack that I can use my trolley jack on, to jack in the arrowed places. Haven't tried it yet though.
Actually that was my first thought when I got the car and also the first thing I tried. One problem I found was that it wouldn't sit flat - the inner & outer sills aren't at exactly the same height & my first block started tipping sideways as soon as I tried to lift the car. That, combined with the very small load bearing area & the amount of load being placed on the very flimsy outer sill caused me to stop before I damaged anything. I put it straight in the trashcan & proceeded with the much more substantial arrangement I've shown here.
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Those pictures look pretty sound. I've fabricated an oak block that mimics the profile of the FIAT jack that I can use my trolley jack on, to jack in the arrowed places. Haven't tried it yet though. If it works, I'll make another and take them both with me when I need new tyres, and supervise the operation. There again, I could just put the wheels in the wife's car and take them to the tyre place!
Do that. Don't let anyone else touch it tbh
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Re: 500 jacking/ lifting/ axle stand positioning

Thanks chaps on mobile at the moment will have a look at the pics tonight

Want to get under my sisters when it arrives and give It some cavity wax and underseal
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Re: 500 jacking/ lifting/ axle stand positioning

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In fact if you look closely at this picture, you can see where the inner sills have been slightly bent by lifting the car on them. This was done before I took delivery, most likely by the main dealer during PDI.
Good info and very informative.
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Or jack on the subframe where it bolts to the chassis rail
Cup of the trolley jack over the bolt, then it won't slip off and punch a hole in your floor!
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Want to get under my sisters
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Or jack on the subframe where it bolts to the chassis rail
Cup of the trolley jack over the bolt, then it won't slip off and punch a hole in your floor!
Did that with both previous 500s and it is the only practical place to jack on the A500 due to not having a jack supplied as standard due to the lower sills.
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Did that with both previous 500s and it is the only practical place to jack on the A500 due to not having a jack supplied as standard due to the lower sills.
i had to drive my 500 front wheel on to a wooden block to get enough clearance to get a jack in
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