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Old 10-09-2011   #1
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TA with Dualogic - a superb combination

Picked our new TA Lounge Dualogic up yesterday and all’s well…
We’re both delighted at the quality, finish and how well it drives.

TwinAir with the Dualogic gearbox works extremely well, but, what takes some getting used to is the fact that, because useful torque is available so low in the rev band – barely above tickover, the Dualogic is programmed to change up early to exploit this characteristic. In this sense it almost drives like a diesel and, in stop start traffic, it hangs on to second gear to lower than walking pace. If feels like it might stall – but it never does. At higher speeds it always seems to be in the right gear, top gear is a high ratio giving quiet cruising (wind noise is noticeable though). It changes up smoothly and changes down equally smoothly when asked with a dab of throttle and it is, so far, turning out to be an extremely economical combination.
After picking it up yesterday (tight new engine) I had a 30 miles cross country drive followed by 40 miles round the M25 (Friday tea-time) which was stop-start for 15 miles or so around Heathrow. Consumption (reset as I drove out of the dealers) door to door = 52.2mpg.
This morning I’ve driven in to work in light north London traffic making a real effort to economise and achieved 57mpg from a cold start.
Nowt wrong with these figures!!!
The engine has the most addictive sound when underway. I won’t dwell on this, but try one and you’ll be hooked!!

Stop-start takes getting used to – after 30 odd years of associating “it going very quiet” with “I’ve stalled the engine”! After a hundred or so miles I’m now getting used to it. I don’t know how it works on manuals, but on the Dualogic when you come to a standstill with your foot resting on the brake pedal, the engine stops within three seconds. As you lift off the brake pedal the engine immediately (and quietly) re-starts – so quickly is this re-start that its running before your foot even touches the throttle. This all works really well and I see no need to disable it (there’s a switch on the heater panel). After reversing it senses you’re manoeuvring and doesn’t work, neither does it work when the engine is cold.

Eco button – now this really is a waste of time with this engine transmission combination! Seriously blunting the performance is one thing, but it also forces the transmission to change up far too early and hold on to high gears, notwithstanding what I’ve said earlier regarding good torque at low revs – in eco mode you’d need a V8 diesel to sustain this high a gear in comfort.
I’ve tried the eco button and it’s possibly only of use when in slowish moving traffic (motorway roadworks for example) where you might gain a mpg or so. I suspect this button’s been fitted to help trick the authorities to give it the zero tax band rating. Switching this on also makes the steering go into the old “city mode” ultra light at low speeds – equally a waste of time.

Bad points? Not many. Only one electronic key and one cheapo metal one is a bit mean on so expensive a car. The tailgate “pulling down” strap looks like a cheap afterthought, and why can’t we have a proper lidded glovebox like the Americans?

Good points? Lots!!!

Trouble? – I’ll be in lots when the missus wakes and realises I’ve taken her 500 to work – on the day she was supposed to taking it round to show her mates!!!
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Re: TA with Dualogic - a superb combination

You'll find the ECO mode is a lot more use when you've got a good few hundred more miles on the engine, I though the same when I first got my manual TA, but you'll find after 1000 miles or so that it's as torquey and powerful in ECO as it was in normal mode when brand new (if you get what I mean).

The stop start on a manual works when you take the car out of gear and release the clutch pedal, so if you sit at a set of traffic lights with the clutch disengaged and the car in gear, it won't take effect. Obviously with Dualogic, it has control of the clutch and the gear selection, so can flip the car out of gear very quickly and have it back in first before you even think about it!

I do sometimes think I should have gone for the Dualogic option, but it is fairly pricey, and I specced my car with a few options anyway. Did you get the steering wheel paddles too?
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Thanks for that. I'll keep an open mind about the Eco button.
No, I didn't bother with the paddle changers. I've got them on my Audi and must have used them twice in eighteen months!
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I guess the gear knob isn't exactly far away! Also, if it is pretty intelligent in self shifting, then you don't need to take over..
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Re: TA with Dualogic - a superb combination

Great feedback on TA and Dualogic. Did you not notice the car jerks when changing gears due to robotised manual configuration, this needs getting used to when departing from a true auto.

We thought about getting Dualogic but went for manual to get control on the car. Btw just did a 2000 euro trip in our TA the car was fine.

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Yes, the Dualogic feels unlike a conventional automatic slushbox as you can feel a conventional "clutch out" gear change taking place each ratio change. Different, but more characterful for that - particularly with the "thrum thrum" sound of the TA.
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I've had eco mode on for the last week, mainly town driving but there was a longer motorway journey in there too. Haven't seen any difference in the average consumption tbh so I'm going to try the next week with it off

I've averaged 44mpg according to the in car computer thingie.
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I've had eco mode on for the last week, mainly town driving but there was a longer motorway journey in there too. Haven't seen any difference in the average consumption tbh so I'm going to try the next week with it off

I've averaged 44mpg according to the in car computer thingie.
You'll notice the box Change up earlier with Eco and IMO gear changes are smoother.
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Very interesting post, but flipping heck- I would not like to be you, seeing as the missus was meant to be showing it to her friends!
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Re: TA with Dualogic - a superb combination

Looks good on the mpg front with the dualogic
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