General Abarth 500 Cup FTAO Fiat/Abarth UK

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General Abarth 500 Cup FTAO Fiat/Abarth UK

I was going purely by the R3T specsheet released from Abarth, hope to get a real look at it one day though. Quite an impressive typo though :p
Well I very very very much doubt it :) As I said the suspension type MUST stay the same as on the homologation car. I can't remember the exact number of cars needed for a homologation car but IIRC it's somewhere inbetween 2,500-5,000 cars that would have had to manufacture with that suspension type and it's not like the old days where you have a room with x amount of shells, take the FIA guy out for lunch and get him pished and then wheel the same shells in and tell him they were different ones :p
 
Yea but i don't think most people even know what a chassis is, so not many would base their decision on that. I think the A500 wins most people on it's looks, interior, performance etc. And the handling is superb anyway.

There are a few of us who aren't 'most people' though. Not knocking the Abarth at all, I love it but owning a 100hp I know the chassis has it's limitations and we all know that Renault are pretty serious about handling, especially so with their impressive commitment to motorsport over the years.
 
I think most people will. The Twingo will outhandle the Abarth easily and if we don't bring asthetics into the argument is clearly a better drivers car.
Sure but the 500 is a better all round car is it not? I'd rather have a better car than a cheaper uglier altrernative that handles better. And is the "chassis" really worth this much?

"To make the car really fly, you need the £650 Cup chassis, which is lower and firmer. With this, the little Renault is tremendous. Better, in fact, than the Fiat. But the price you pay, apart from the £650, is a ride that would drive you absolutely mad" .
Jezza Clarkson

And:
"It’s a bit of a one-horse race, if I’m honest. The Renault might be in tune with the times. But the Fiat sings the same song more loudly and better. And, of course, being Italian it’ll have become a household appliance by the time the economy is back to normal. So you can get back to your Range Rover".
Jezza Clarkson
 
Sure but the 500 is a better all round car is it not? I'd rather have a better car than a cheaper uglier altrernative that handles better. And is the "chassis" really worth this much?

Jezza Clarkson

And: Jezza Clarkson

Clarkson is an idiot firstly and you're debating as to whether a performance car doesn't need a great chassis....... why?
 
Clarkson is an idiot firstly and you're debating as to whether a performance car doesn't need a great chassis....... why?
I never said that at all. I can't justify £650 for a stiffer ride just so i can take bends slightly faster and doesn't bounce around as much. The same way i can't justify £2000 for the SS kit. These little cars hardly ever go on the track, so what's the point?
 
I never said that at all. I can't justify £650 for a stiffer ride just so i can take bends slightly faster and doesn't bounce around as much. The same way i can't justify £2000 for the SS kit. These little cars hardly ever go on the track, so what's the point?

The finesse of a car's chassis is immediately apparent on the road too. Get in my 100hp and you'll have a lot of fun for sure. But you can feel the limitations of it. Then try my integra type-r and you will see that it takes it to a whole new level, you can tell that easily on the road even at moderate speeds. All you need are a few corners.

I'd pay the extra for the cup chassis, pretty cheap as an upgrade really. (y)

There's nothing wrong with the Abarth and you shouldn't feel that I'm criticising your choice of car, but different people place more importance on different things. For me I'd take the chassis is one of my highest priorities.

So the 500 may be a better all round car to you, but not necessarily to everyone else. After all people do buy twingo RS's.
 
I never said that at all. I can't justify £650 for a stiffer ride just so i can take bends slightly faster and doesn't bounce around as much. The same way i can't justify £2000 for the SS kit. These little cars hardly ever go on the track, so what's the point?

Yes but French hot hatches aren't built for the track as such as you're suggesting, French cars are absolutely perfect on British roads. You need only look at the Clio Williams, Peugeot 306 Rallye, 1.6 Rallye and of course ye olde 205 GTi to see that quick french cars aren't rock hard like a 500 Essesse or even a 1.2 and are just magical on British b-roads.

Truth be told aside from being slower in the engine department over the 500, my 406 is was a better drivers car than my 500 is. It gives more feedback through the wheel, it's more progressive, handles bumps better and so on and so forth thanks mostly to the far more sophisticated multilink rear suspension and matched spring rates and dampers. Hopefully some Bilstein's in a year or two's time will sort the handling out and just make it a more enjoyable car.
 
Yes but French hot hatches aren't built for the track as such as you're suggesting, French cars are absolutely perfect on British roads. You need only look at the Clio Williams, Peugeot 306 Rallye, 1.6 Rallye and of course ye olde 205 GTi to see that quick french cars aren't rock hard like a 500 Essesse or even a 1.2 and are just magical on British b-roads.

Truth be told aside from being slower in the engine department over the 500, my 406 is was a better drivers car than my 500 is. It gives more feedback through the wheel, it's more progressive, handles bumps better and so on and so forth thanks mostly to the far more sophisticated multilink rear suspension and matched spring rates and dampers. Hopefully some Bilstein's in a year or two's time will sort the handling out and just make it a more enjoyable car.


you need to drive my car mate, really is a massive leap from the pitchy wallowy standard car (y)
 
you need to drive my car mate, really is a massive leap from the pitchy wallowy standard car (y)
Of course it will be better but we're talking standard cars ;) I don't want the 406 back or anything, just saying that the suspension setup is better :)
 
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